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From America With Love (Ukraine's new first lady knows what freedom really means) (John Fund)
Opinion Journal ^ | Monday, December 27, 2004 | JOHN FUND

Posted on 12/27/2004 12:05:03 AM PST by nickcarraway

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To: geedee
"We will never forget how Poland was one of the brave countries who supported us during the anti-American onslaught from countries like France, Germany, et al."

Onslaught ? Man, you make it sound like German U-boote and French naval commandos attacked US ships and coastline little towns.
61 posted on 12/27/2004 8:18:42 AM PST by Atlantic Friend
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To: anonymoussierra

Thank you!


62 posted on 12/27/2004 8:48:15 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Atlantic Friend
Onslaught ? Man, you make it sound like German U-boote and French naval commandos attacked US ships and coastline little towns.

I notice you're French . . . well, well, well.

I won't go thru the exercise of telling you about all the relatives of mine who ate Normandy mud on D-Day or any of that. I suspect you've heard it enough. I suspect you wouldn't be a FReeper if you didn't already understand that argument and why it upsets us so.

What I will tell you is this . . . me and millions and millions of my countrymen will never forgive Jacques ChIRAQ for stabbing us in the back the way he did. Had France and Germany had the guts to back up ANY of the UN mandates directed at Iraq after the First Gulf War . . . Americans wouldn't be dying in Iraq right now.

I suspect we'll find French hands in the Oil for Food cookie jar and that'll explain part of it . . . but ChIRAQ has also made it damn plain that his MAJOR foreign policy is to simply pick the opposing view of what America wants to do. His pious and pompous preaching to us is beyond contempt. His and Schroeder's anti-U.S. stances were calculated to try to defeat President Bush in November . . . but the American people gave ChIRAQ the respect he deserves -- WE TOLD HIM TO KISS OUR RED, WHITE, AND BLUE AMERICAN ASSES!

I have a beloved nephew fighting in Iraq. He wouldn't be there if ANY French leader did more than posture for TV cameras.

Maybe you don't consider the weasel-crap your leaders have tried to shovel on us to be an "onslaught." I suspect you'll be in the minority here on Free Republic.

You wrote . . . "Man, you make it sound like German U-boote and French naval commandos attacked US ships and coastline little towns." Oh were it so . . . God how much simpler it would make it were that so. But ChIRAQ and Schroeder are all bluster . . . even they have enough sense not to attempt such foolishness.

Are we arrogant? Perhaps . . . but it ain't braggin' if you can back it up. Can anyone say the same about ChIRAQ? Your problems in the Ivory Coast have him completely buffaloed. All he's thinking about is an "exit" strategy. How to save face. THAT is not a leader ANY warrior will follow into battle.

One would think that with all the Islamic strife going on in Europe that someone over there would grow a backbone . . . but, alas, it doesn't appear to be so. While the terrorists kill your movie directors, while they try to terrorize your Jews and Christians, while they flock to your shores like locusts . . . European leaders simply sit on their hands.

Here's news for you, pal . . . don't call us for help. Not this time. Not so long as ChIRAQ and his policies live. We've had it with the Axis of Weasels.

And that's sad. My father told me some of the kindest and bravest souls he'd ever met in his life were the French country folks he met in early-June 1944. They had barely enough to eat themselves YET they fed my father and his squad scrambled eggs for breakfast. They, according to my father, provided the absolute best intelligence on German positions and strengths.

But, alas, it appears the panty-waist liberals run the show now in France. I suspect you don't agree with their policies or you wouldn't have joined Free Republic. I suspect your ancestors were probably the "country-folks" my father described. And I hope and pray that is so . . . for your sake. If it is, none of this is directed at your personally . . . but France is ruled by wimps and cut-throats so we have no choice but to react accordingly.

There's TWO BIG differences between France and the U.S. -- we've managed to beat back the hordes of liberals AND we still have the cojones to fight for what we believe in. The French leaders do nothing but talk and posture for TV cameras while the Islamic Wolves creep ever closer to their dens.

We have long, long memories here. I'm afraid ChIRAQ and Schroeder have ruined relations between the French-German pacifist-backstabbers and us Americans for a helluva long time. So long as we manned the frontlines between y'all and the Soviet Union, we were considered allies. But once we won the Cold War French and German hubris rose to the surface and we damn sure don't appreciate it.

FOR GOD'S SAKE, CHIRAQ SENT DEVILLEPIN ON A WORLD-WIDE TOUR TO CAMPAIGN AGAINST US BEFORE WE ATTACKED IRAQ!!!

So, yes, IMO, the anti-Americanism exhibited by your leaders was IN FACT an onslaught against us. An onslaught we will repay ten-fold.

63 posted on 12/27/2004 9:32:55 AM PST by geedee (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.)
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To: geedee

Man, spare me nothing.

You'd be surprised at how little I have people talking about their relatives dying on a Normandy beach - usually I get comments about my supposed lack of hygiene and my supposed anti-semitism. So, to avoid any misunderstanding here, let me stress out that I respect and honor those who fought to snatch a whole continent from the Nazi fangs. The 300,000 US soldiers who died from Italy to France to Germany deserve every mark of respect, since what they accomplished was truly astounding in terms of personal sacrifices.

I'll just say that the 250,000 French soldiers who died fighting the same enemy might be extended the same courtesy, along with each and every Allied soldier and sailor. From 1940 onward, one French citizen was killed by the Germans every two hours for acts of sabotage, either shot in a road ditch or burnt in an extermination camp, and I'd like them to get the respect their killers almost never paid them.

As for de Villepin, I'd be glad to see him ousted of public office, rolled in tar and feathers, and sent packing for the country of his choice. He's exactly what I despise on politicians in general and ours in particular. He was so dismal a Foreign Minister that I'd gladly charge him of "intelligence with the enemy" - but it would be the first time he'd be accused of intelligence.

I particularly hold him responsible not only for widening the transatlantic rift, but for causing the death of French soldiers and Ivorian civilians when he botched up the situation there beyond all recognition.

The Oil for Food scam : I won't comment on it, since I don't know much about it yet, except the names of the two French politicans that were on the list of Saddam's "special donations". I am glad neither of them is a Government member, but I have as little respect for them as I have to good ol' Dominique, and I'd like nothing more than to see them extradited to Iraq to face some serious charges.

You see, I don't believe in forgetting crimes and forgiving criminals, so you won't see them picket in front of the US embassy asking for some clemency. Either they've done it, and they get whatever sentence is relevant (on top of being stripped of their mandates here), or they didn't do it, and their innocence must be publicly acknowledged as befits a normal justicial system.

As for following Chirac into battle, I'll just say that should it come to that, I would do it. I would do it as I would follow any democratically elected President in times of war, regardless of my personal opinions of the man. In times of war, the President is the commander-in-chief, and it stops at that. Following him in times of peace, though, is an entirely different matter, and I wholeheartedly wish he'll be trodden under by Sarkozy in 2007, with all judicial consequences to him and his wife.

So believe me, if I had it my way, neither you nor your leaders wouldn't have much left to do to Chirac and especially to de Villepin.


64 posted on 12/27/2004 10:00:38 AM PST by Atlantic Friend
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To: jb6; Destro; Lukasz; lizol; Grzegorz 246; Gucho; risk; All; A. Pole; Polak z Polski; MeekOneGOP

Thank you my husband write now ;}}}}}}}}}}}

"Here, here. I love these guys who are the first to accuse others of treason and such but have never served themselves. I spent my entire adult life enlisted and commissioned. I got to patrol all those nice spots in the Balkans that wre the results of the EU/progressive revolutions: blood, destruction and dispair. But the progressives got to expend their rule, got more money and in the case of the Balkins, helped their Islamic friends a lot."
It is my pleasure to introduce myself to you all, however I would like to make certain points that are totally omitted. In GROM we have a very special saying, ship that is sinking not necessarily is a sinking ship, and you should get the idea. My straight view is that as far as Poland is concerned we applaud Ukraine for their own efforts, their efforts are fruit of their own labor, and thus maybe we should start learning lessons from history books. As of inspiration just remember one very important thing neither one of us are without a sins. Each and one of us carry load of guilt it just depends where we want to let it go and I think it would be in good deeds to put some things behind us. It is a shame in my opinion that people don't let it go certain things. Life is too short to wonder, rather gather what you have and live in peace with others, in this scenario it means with people who really want to live in peace, this doesn't apply to those who want to destroy you, as one of US Marines put it either us or them. We can judge history by its own colors but history will judge us by who we are. I can tell you it doesn't really matter for GOD himself will judge us and that is what's most important in human life, sometimes certain things don't work out the way some of us have planned, but it doesn't mean everything is lost, rather through strength and goodness you will accomplish greatness. Ok I let Sara talk to you guys. By the way for those who have shown Sara high respect I personally want to thank you all, as much as many of you disagree on her points, for after all we do have different points of view, keep in mind neither one of us is perfect.

Thank you be strong America good country. Be strong good Ukraina country. Deo Gracias


65 posted on 12/27/2004 10:07:46 AM PST by anonymoussierra (Weso³ych Œwi¹t oraz Szczêœliwego Roku!!!)
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To: anonymoussierra

Well stated - thank you :)


66 posted on 12/27/2004 10:22:01 AM PST by Gucho
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67 posted on 12/27/2004 10:29:44 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Gucho; Grzegorz 246

Dzieki zatrzymales sie co? A moze Cie troche zatkalo jakby nie bylo trzym sie.

"Gucho" Thank you America good friend


68 posted on 12/27/2004 10:38:14 AM PST by anonymoussierra (Weso³ych Œwi¹t oraz Szczêœliwego Roku!!!)
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To: ZULU

Doesn't sound to bad, unfortunetly I doubt that the EU would like that to much. They are pretty set against us. This is a coming togather over Ukraine only because they want it within their ever expending borders. NATO should have been transformed into an economic association as well as defensive. We could have preempted all those issues we have and will have with the EU. Keeping Poland, Czech and other nations in our orbit instead of EU's.


69 posted on 12/27/2004 10:38:30 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: risk
A member here (whose name I don't care to mention) was going-on about Yushchenko, and how he is a World Bank/IMF/Soros/socialist puppet . . . I found it curious.

Two days later, I'm listening to NPR (NPR, of all places!), and it was playing tapes of some Ukrainian Socialist Party leader railing on Yuschenko. Go figure . . . some of our members here truly live in an alternate universe.

70 posted on 12/27/2004 10:43:09 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

One would think Freepers would have more brains than to believe anything they hear on NPR. Yushchenko is a Soros pupper.


71 posted on 12/27/2004 10:51:44 AM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: risk

Yes I should like to change minds in France, but it is very difficult, french people are individualist, they don't care about the others.


72 posted on 12/27/2004 11:13:15 AM PST by Marie007 (La politique dénature et ruine l'amitié)
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To: GarySpFc

And whose is Yanukovych???


73 posted on 12/27/2004 11:46:00 AM PST by lizol
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To: GarySpFc
Touché. Much like one would think Freepers have the capability of recognizing that, when NPR showcases avowed socialists lamenting the disaster that awaits Ukraine if Yushchenko is elected, there is more to the story than Soros.
74 posted on 12/27/2004 12:03:16 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: ZULU

"The U.S. should work to get both Russia AND Ukraine as well as many eastern European States into NATO..."

Actually it isn't possible to built any alliance with Poland and Russia together.


75 posted on 12/27/2004 12:20:28 PM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: anonymoussierra
bump!

76 posted on 12/27/2004 12:33:33 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP! ©)
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To: MeekOneGOP

Thank you


77 posted on 12/27/2004 12:41:34 PM PST by anonymoussierra (Weso³ych Œwi¹t oraz Szczêœliwego Roku!!!)
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To: Grzegorz 246

EVERYBODY has a price. And times are changing.

Poland and Russia may find they have more in common with each other and Ukraine and the other eastern European states than they have with the western Europeans.


78 posted on 12/27/2004 12:47:33 PM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU

I doubt. At least not within next 50 years.


79 posted on 12/27/2004 12:57:31 PM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Atlantic Friend
So believe me, if I had it my way, neither you nor your leaders wouldn't have much left to do to Chirac and especially to de Villepin.

LOL. I'm not surpised that we basically agree. FReepers of ANY PERSUASION don't tolerate fools lightly.

Please accept my apology for any personal comments made by my sister and brother FReepers. THAT's why I made certain you knew my comments were directed to your leaders and not you personally. But . . . as you know . . . we're a passionate lot here at Free Republic.

I'd also much rather debate someone who loves their country as I love mine. I didn't realize I was so patriotic until 9-11-2001 . . . then I suddenly realized it was our "supposed" friends who could do more damage to us than our "professed" enemies. We've never lost a war yet that the American public PUBLICLY supported so I knew we wouldn't lose this one.

Everytime I say that people always come back with . . . What about Vietnam? I counter with this . . . the Liberals, then as now, had control of the Mainstream Media. But we didn't have the avenues to battle back then like we do now. I'm convinced the majority of the American populace silently supported our efforts in Vietnam . . . but we had no way of countering the lies told by the likes of Walter Cronkite and Dan Rather.

Now we do. Dan Rather lies now and FReepers pounce on him in minutes . . . and prove him to be the liar he is in hours.

But there were no penalties to be paid when the liberals lied in the late 1960's and early 1970's.

THAT is why my claim still holds. Us patriotic conservatives had no avenues to counter the liberal drivel . . . so the traitors wailed on for weeks, then months, then, finally, years and their constant, never-ending drumbeat of traitorous BS finally forced Congress to completely sell-out the South Vietnamese after Nixon resigned. At least 2,500,000 South Vietnamese lost their lives because of this treachery.

We won't let that happen again.

THAT's why I wasn't concerned about our enemies. I knew we would take care of them. But France's and Germany's and the other Euro-weasel's actions after 9-11 were maddening as hell. I discovered I'd been naive about the Euro-attitudes where we were concerned. Anti-Americanism in European circles was already mature before I even knew it existed.

But they too will eventually be made to pay for their disloyalty.

People the world over can call us arrogant if they wish . . . but the U.S. is the most benevolent country the world has ever known.

Why? Because we're a huge melting pot and every nationality on Earth is represented in our populace. And every one of these "clicks" is afforded the opportunity to have their voices heard.

We're oftentimes called "insensitive" to those of other race, culture, or religion . . . yet those of varied backgrounds and beliefs seem to blend together much easier here than anywhere else on Earth. I'll even go so far as to suggest this . . . no other country or people on Earth are MORE TOLERANT of those of the Muslim faith than are we Americans.

Again . . . why? Because the common thread that has allowed us to prosper and grow is our Christian roots. Christians by definition are more accepting of those who differ from them.

The liberals have tried for decades and decades to shape us into a secular society . . . and I've been worried for decades that they might be successful. But, knock on wood, I think the tide is starting to turn against them. The internet is empowering us conservatives. The internet allows us to by-pass those who would muffle our message. The internet allows us to organize and strike back like never before.

I'm glad you're a FReeper, Atlantic Friend. I'm glad you're one of us. I just wish your leaders had your common sense. Choosing to take sides with those who would harm us is not only stupid . . . it's dangerous. Europeans for the most part don't realize what 9-11 did to me and my countrymen. But it's really very simple. We were the sleeping Giant . . . but not anymore. We're mad as hell and we're not taking the abuse that's been heaped on for decades any longer.

The terrorists have declared war on us. We'll see to it that they have more than they can handle and any country who stands against us will be dealt with accordingly.

Right is on our side . . . and might is our weapon.

80 posted on 12/27/2004 1:14:25 PM PST by geedee (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.)
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