Skip to comments.**Wilson's Armor Question Unfounded! 800 of the 830 Vehicles were Armored!**
Posted on 12/22/2004 7:53:02 PM PST by DaveLoneRanger
It now appears that the premise of the question that caused an uproar around Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld was off base. In Kuwait two weeks ago, Army Specialist Thomas Wilson (search) told Rumsfeld, "our vehicles are not armored ... We do not have proper armament vehicles to carry with us north [into Iraq]."
But, according to senior Army officers, about 800 of the 830 vehicles in Wilson's army regiment the 278th Cavalry had already been up-armored when he asked the question. What's more, 20 vehicles remaining to be modified were in the process of being up-armored and that was completed within 24 hours of Wilson's question.
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I caught something about that last night on Brit Hume.
So the question was a lie, and planted by a reporter. And he's still employed. Is anyone surprised?
I'm sure all the newspapers and networks that ran those "Rumsfeld under fire" stories will now issue corrections and apologies.
Yep. Any minute now...
Armour story bump/ping
Quite interesting, huh? Some of the posters on the Friedman thread need to read this.
Reading further in the link, I see where New York's 31 EVs went to John L. Kerry. He was John L. Kerry before he was John F. Kerry, ya see...
I watched him, when he said it, but couldn't find it on the web at the time.
I am glad you posted it.
The set-up lie got front page coverage for a week, the truth isn't even mentioned.
You can always count on dems to lie, and obfuscate the truth in any way possible...
Also, the two families who complained bitterly that Rumsfeld didn't personally sign the condolence note have been enemies of Bush and Rumsfeld all along. Details, which the MSM omitted.
"ABC did a report this week on military families upset that Rumsfeld used a machine to sign condolence letters. It quoted two people who lost family members in Iraq, Ivan Medina and Sue Niederer. But what ABC did not mention is that both Medina and Niederer are long-time critics of the Bush administration.
Seven months ago Medina participated in an anti-Rumsfeld protest outside West Point, calling him a "liar and a war criminal." And just three months ago, Niederer interrupted a Bush campaign event in New Jersey, yelling and sporting a shirt that read: "President Bush You Killed My Son." She was arrested."
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This is what liberal media bias is all about. Any decent journalist would have immediately looked into that soldier's unit to see how many vehicles were or were not armored. Nope. Not our MSM. They saw an opportunity to hit Rumsfeld and they just couldn't resist. Facts be damned.
Exactly. It's the Joe Wilson thing all over again. The entire thing was a lie, and they gave it wall to wall coverage. After it was proven a lie, you didn't hear a thing.
Dan Rather's question was a lie, and planted by ???. And he's still employed. Is anyone surprised?
The New York Times will print a lie in bold letters on page one above the fold and then print the retraction on the back pages of the sports section.
you know what??? I'm so over this and I'm going to say something that might get me flamed but screw it.
That soldier was full of crap for bringing up that stuff outside the chain of command, in public and in doing so made the National Guard unit look like an undisciplined bunch of quasi-warriors.
First of all, the soldier KNEW that nothing he said was going to actually change the armor situation... it never does. What did he want the SecDef to do... stand there, look teary eyed and say... "gee we're so stupid and lazy for sending you here to fight without armor. I think I'll just go to the White House right after this and resign." dumbass..
The other FACt is the Humvee was NEVER designed to be an armored transport the lack of armor shouldn't be a surprise. We're fighting a urban guerrilla war.. the front is everywhere and nowhere. His NCO's and supply and motor pool guys will ADAPT and OVERCOME to accomplish the mission. That's why they were using stuff they could find and welding it on to the vehicles. That's why it's called "war"... it's messy, deadly and NOTHING ever goes as planned. Deal with it and move on soldier. If opening your yap in front of the world will help, do it.... but it doesn't and he knew it wouldn't do a damn thing.
Secondly, by opening his pie hole at a news conference he let the ENEMY KNOW that they weren't retrofitted with armor and were vulnerable. Thanks a-hole... that sure will help.
Guess what, now all the liberals, Democrats, Islamo-thugs and other Anti-Americans that hope we fail will have another propaganda weapon.. the flogging of Rumsfeld. The guerrilla war continues and by splitting us up as the Democrats are doing, we are encouraging the killing and helping the enemy.
I've met loud mouthed, undisciplined, uniform fillers before and this clown meets the criteria. He and his unit should think about what they are doing and saying. They are in a very serious fight. This is not the time to start getting caught up in a pity party but a time to hunker down, do your job and zip your lip. His unit is a laughing stock to regular units but nobody in the press is reporting that little fact. I'd like to hear Force Recon, Seal, Airborne or any regular Army units whining like that in front of the press.
Nothing like a war to cull out the dead wood. It's the same in every war this country has had.... a lot of people get killed early from not adopting the warrior mind... which means, do your job, kill the enemy and get your buddies and yourself home to your family.
sorry for the rant... of course this is only my opinion and I could be wrong.
Should I hold my breathe in waiting for Chrissy Matthews to report on these facts??
I didn't think so
Why don't these officers reveal themselves?
Wouldn't Rummy/DOD want them front and center to back them up on this thing?
This seems fishy.
they didn't...maybe you need to watch the tape to see that a lot of them "groaned" when the questioned was asked and at the end Rummy was given a standing ovation! Don't ever believe the main stream media.
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