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1 posted on 12/22/2004 4:25:32 AM PST by Ellesu
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To: Ellesu
Police say when the 19-year-old ignored that and a second warning,...

Probably the result of all the self-esteem training he got in school.

2 posted on 12/22/2004 4:28:54 AM PST by Moonman62 (Federal Creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it.)
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To: Ellesu

Good shootin' Gramps.


3 posted on 12/22/2004 4:31:13 AM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: Ellesu

Mi Casa Es Su Casa


4 posted on 12/22/2004 4:32:02 AM PST by csvset
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To: Ellesu
He died on the way to the hospital

Awwwwww, don't you just love a happy ending?

6 posted on 12/22/2004 4:33:54 AM PST by Feckless
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To: Ellesu

ITs a crying shame that that kid felt so desperate that he risked his life to gain....what? Some cash from a wallet? Change in a couch?

The whole thing is so stupid and irrational it defies explanation.

But the vet did the only thing he could do, and I hope the jury respects that.


7 posted on 12/22/2004 4:33:59 AM PST by JFK_Lib
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I think this is the perp, started his career early in life, was let out way to soon,
Name
HINOJOSA,ROBERT GREGORY State Identification Number
07082767 Date of Birth
Oct 6 1985 Hair Color
Black
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Brown Weight
155 Height (ft inches)
509 Race
White
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M


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07082767 Date of Arrest
Apr 26 2003 Sequence
A Tracking Incident Number
9033886189
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A001 Final Pleading to Offense
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TX101205J Court Disposition Numeric
DEFERRED -- THE FINDING OF GUILT HAS BEEN POSTPONED.
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094684501010 Court Disposition Date
Jun 25 2003 General Offense Character

none found
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Felony - 2nd Degree
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30.02C Court Offense Numeric
Burglary Of Habitation -- 30.02(c)(2) PC Court Offense Literal
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Jun 25 2003
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10Y
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07082767 Date of Arrest
Apr 26 2003 Sequence
A Tracking Incident Number
9033886189
Tracking Incident Suffix
A002 Final Pleading to Offense
Guilty Court ORI
TX101205J Court Disposition Numeric
DEFERRED -- THE FINDING OF GUILT HAS BEEN POSTPONED.
Cause Number
094684601010 Court Disposition Date
Jun 25 2003 General Offense Character

none found
Level & Degree of Court Offense
Felony - 2nd Degree
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30.02C Court Offense Numeric
Burglary Of Habitation -- 30.02(c)(2) PC Court Offense Literal
Date of Sentence or Status Change
Jun 25 2003
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Court Sentence Suspended-Fine
Court Confinement
0Y Court Probation
10Y
Court Fine
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none found
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Uncoded Agency Receiving Custody
TX101035G
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041030426084
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HINOJOSA,ROBERT GREGORY Tracking Incident Number
9033886189 Sequence
A Date of Arrest
Apr 26 2003



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07082767 General Offense Character

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Apr 26 2003
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Arrest Disposition Numeric
HELD -- SUBJECT REMAINS IN CUSTODY PENDING FURTHER ACTION BECAUSE HE/SHE CANNOT MAKE BAIL, IS HELD WITHOUT BAIL, OR IS HELD FOR ANOTHER AGENCY. Level & Degree of Arrest Offense
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30.02C
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HOUSTON DA Arrest Disposition Date
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30.02C
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A002
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Burglary Of Habitation -- 30.02(c)(2) PC Prosecutor Offense Literal
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A Tracking Incident Number
9033886189
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A002 ORI of Prosecutor
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Prosecutor accepts the charge.
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8 posted on 12/22/2004 4:34:52 AM PST by eastforker (Ask me about a free satellite TV system!)
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This act will end up keeping more 19-year-olds alive than simply sticking one in jail for six months.

It's called deterrence, and it works.

9 posted on 12/22/2004 4:34:52 AM PST by Egon (Government is a guard-dog to be fed, not a cow to be milked.)
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>>But police tell us some similar cases have been ruled as justifiable homicide.

In Houston? I can't imagine that there's the remotest shred of a chance of it being anything else, given what I think I know about Texas law. Am I off-base here?


10 posted on 12/22/2004 4:35:29 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: Ellesu

Way to go! Some of these punks need a message and I hope this one gets through.


12 posted on 12/22/2004 4:36:38 AM PST by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: Ellesu
Although Mr.Strelec is having second thoughts, I doubt many will shed a tear over this miscreant biting the dust.

Good riddance!

13 posted on 12/22/2004 4:38:52 AM PST by G.Mason (The replies by this poster are meant for self amusement only. Read at your own discretion.)
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The old man was nice enough to warn him. Interesting story.


14 posted on 12/22/2004 4:40:21 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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He hopes boarding up windows and doors will keep the bad guys out.

Shooting them is much more effective.

15 posted on 12/22/2004 4:42:16 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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He stood up for what's his.

So9

16 posted on 12/22/2004 4:43:07 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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Police say when the 19-year-old ignored that and a second warning, the man fired a single shot, hitting the teen in the stomach. That's when the robbery suspect bolted out the back door and ran away, collapsing in the yard not far from the home.

The gunshot probably dislodged the wax in his ears.

22 posted on 12/22/2004 4:54:44 AM PST by rabidralph (Keep your laws off my money.)
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Yes he had no choice. The HPD would have taken an hour to get around to checking out the call, by then this man would have been dead. I feel sorry for him. he was put in an awful situation. That's how brazen the crooks are now. "Go ahead call the cops, they won't do anything"


25 posted on 12/22/2004 5:00:53 AM PST by marty60
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How long do you think it will take for the "Perps" family to file a wrongful death suit against the old guy?
32 posted on 12/22/2004 5:12:50 AM PST by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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Banglist added to Keywords..

This will direct your article to the Banglist page, which is for all gun, self-defense, etc., related articles..

Thanks for the post..

34 posted on 12/22/2004 5:21:00 AM PST by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Ellesu

Why was he in the mans home.
He was not INVITED.
He had no right to break into a home.
The older gentleman has a right to protect himself.
It was HIS home not the intruders.
The gentleman is 79 years old. He has lived his life without breaking into anyone else's home. He has a right to live in his home and to be safe. Boarding everything up was not good enough. So, he did what he had to do and I support him.
People are tired of being intimidated by those who would do us harm.
All those with money like celebrities and the like have bodyguards who carry guns. You mean to tell me they wouldn't pull out their guns and shoot someone who was threatening their "clients?" Guess that's OK though...now the man questions his actions. He is punished again. Am sorry about the young boy and the man is right...he didn't get to live his life but...that I think was his choice. Had he stayed out of someone else's home uninvited and not when the man issued his second warning...he could have lived to be 79 too. It's a tragedy but...I am happy the elder gentleman can live more years with his family. Can you imagine his fear all alone not knowing what this guy was gonna do? He is innocent but obviously he has a background of character and integrity and because of that he is sad over what he had to do. He's not a killer.
God bless him.


35 posted on 12/22/2004 5:23:05 AM PST by cubreporter
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So the geez takes a career criminal (maybe a burglary prodigy, since his career started early) out of society, and now good citizens won't have to worry that he will rob them and hurt them or their families. Sounds good to me.

Hey, the old guy defended us in the war--and he'still doing a good job. Maybe we should get him a fruit basket for Christmas.


42 posted on 12/22/2004 5:38:41 AM PST by OhMike (He which hath no stomach to this fight, let him depart...we would not die in that man's company.)
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And let this serve as a lesson to other would-be thieves.

If you like to read about these types of incidents, every month the American Rifleman runs several of them in its "Armed Citizen" column. (Along with other good articles, for that matter -- for instance, this month's article on Lewis guns was very interesting, and on a subject that I had not read a great deal about elsewhere.)

And Dr. Kleck has shown that firearms are widely used to defend oneself and one's family, as common sense would tell you.

44 posted on 12/22/2004 5:49:07 AM PST by snowsislander
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