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Are We Going The Way of Rome? - (Caution! - this is a "no spin zone!")
MACKINAC.ORG ^ | SEPTEMBER 1, 1002 | LAWRENCE W. REED

Posted on 12/20/2004 9:15:32 PM PST by CHARLITE

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To: Cronos

Concerning the restoration of republicanism, I'd opt for Florence. Machiavelli certainly did his best to make it so.


61 posted on 12/20/2004 11:08:36 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Cronos

Syria was part of the Seleucid Empire, but his base was in Mesopotamia. He also ruled the 'important' western parts of Persia. The Parthians controlled the bulk of Persia eastward, and eventually regained it entirely and became synonymous with Persia for a few centuries.


62 posted on 12/20/2004 11:12:20 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: Cronos
Rome's fall had more to do with incessent civil war then it did with anything else. We've had one. I'll get worried when we hit an even dozen.

i would call the recent election pretty much akin to a civil war -- wouldn't you say so?


No.
63 posted on 12/20/2004 11:24:13 PM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the Rats in terror before me.)
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To: CHARLITE

Ping for later reading. I like the pig catching analogy, and some of the history comments are worth following.


64 posted on 12/20/2004 11:32:13 PM PST by Kevin OMalley (Kevin O'Malley)
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To: CHARLITE
We are in fact headed for self destruction.

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

65 posted on 12/20/2004 11:34:34 PM PST by expatguy ("Fallujah Delenda Est!")
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To: CHARLITE

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/052165629X/002-4853882-1848812?v=glance


66 posted on 12/20/2004 11:34:45 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Puckster
I guess a god would know this.

well, uh, yeah.... if it wasn't for that pesky brat Zeus *rant!!
67 posted on 12/20/2004 11:52:14 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: All

This article could be more accurately applied to Europe.


68 posted on 12/21/2004 12:09:20 AM PST by Doofer
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To: CHARLITE; Jeff Head; wardaddy; Squantos; river rat; Grampa Dave

Thanks for this posting!


69 posted on 12/21/2004 12:24:01 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
Nations limited their support for John Kerry to illegal fundraising, taunting Ohio voters by mail, and some "absentee" voting this time around. Some of the foot patrol protesters were likely from outside of this country (as many of the G8 Summit and WTO protesters are). Kerry's riot brigades were waiting for the call. DUmmies were ready to storm Ohio and forestall the inevitable; they are still upset with the DNC that the wind was let out of their sails the day after the election.

The troops (internationally) are ready for a physical fight. Just witness how outsiders have flocked to Iraq to cause havoc. It CAN happen here.
70 posted on 12/21/2004 12:24:11 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: Rockingham
We have a great capacity for self-renewal. I feared the worst for this country when I was young and experiencing the 60's, the Viet Nam War, the Cold War, and the Carter years of stagflation, economic and military decline, and national failure. But then came Reagan and an American renaissance that continues still.

John Kerry, Ramsey Clark, and others who are behind this current division were behind the 1960s radical separatism as well. They inspired their followers to burn down armories, recruiting centers, assassinate law enforcement officers, and plotted to kill elected congressmen. Same vicious circle.

Those same radicals (who are brethren to the bomb throwing communists and anarchists of the 1920s in America) would look on 12 years of Reagan-Bush as a low point of 25 years of American politics.

71 posted on 12/21/2004 12:28:34 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: CHARLITE

Thank you for this article. It made my day.


72 posted on 12/21/2004 12:35:13 AM PST by Remember_Salamis (Freedom is Not Free)
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To: SeaWolf

That's when I'm sober. With a few drinks in me, I become a German Irishman. Watch out for that guy ;-)

73 posted on 12/21/2004 1:35:35 AM PST by Nick Danger (Want some wood?)
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To: weegee

All too true. When we trace the lineage of ideas and recruitment, it becomes clear that we are still fighting the struggle between Marxism and the principles of self-government laid down in the Constitution. The division of Western civilization in the Enlightenment remains unhealed, with self-government based on freedom and faith pitted against materialism aiming at the forcible perfection of man guided by science and reason.


74 posted on 12/21/2004 2:16:35 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

We are on that path. I don't see this being taught in the history classes in highschool.


75 posted on 12/21/2004 2:29:49 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens.)
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To: CHARLITE

Thank you for posting this thought-provoking article! We ignore its warnings and comparisons at our own risk; likewise, we ignore its optimism only in an excess of partisanship.


76 posted on 12/21/2004 3:35:43 AM PST by alwaysconservative (FReepers are the BEST!)
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To: Rockingham

Excellent and thoughtful post!


77 posted on 12/21/2004 3:39:17 AM PST by alwaysconservative (FReepers are the BEST!)
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To: CHARLITE

The Republic is dead.

We are waiting for the first Emperor.

Depending on who that is, we could still have a long, happy time ahead of us as subjects.

Or not.


78 posted on 12/21/2004 4:51:36 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: alwaysconservative

Thanks.


79 posted on 12/21/2004 4:59:15 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: CHARLITE

excellent, excellent article! many thanks.


80 posted on 12/21/2004 5:02:52 AM PST by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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