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IS IT ONLY MR BEAN WHO RESISTS THIS NEW RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE?
Telegraph Online (Daily Telegraph broadsheet newspaper) ^ | December 14th 2004 | Andika

Posted on 12/14/2004 3:46:32 PM PST by Andika

TELEGRAPH ONLINE By Charles Moore The push for a religious hatred law here is an attempt to advance the legal privilege that Muslims claim for Islam. True, Muslim leaders are happy that the same protection should be extended to other religions in this country. But to a modern liberal society which claims the freedom to attack all beliefs, this should be no comfort. It says a good deal about the quality of churchmen and politicians in Britain that the most prominent opponent of the Bill is Mr Bean. The Archbishop of Canterbury is more or less invisible. The Government is on the side of repression. Why is it that so many people resent religion and turn against it? Surely it is because of its coercive force, Under Islam, Christians and Jews, born into their religion, have slightly more rights than apostates. They are dhimmis, second-class citizens who must pay the jiyza, a sort of poll tax, because of their beliefs. Their life is hard. In Saudi, they cannot worship in public at all, or be ministered to by clergy even in private. In Egypt, no Christian university is permitted. In Iran, Christians cannot say their liturgy in the national language. In almost all Muslim countries, they are there on sufferance and, increasingly, because of radical Islamism, not even on that.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: freedom; muslim
This was a fascinating article. On this evening's TV news Mr Moore faced Iqbal Sacranie, of the mainstream Muslim Council of Britain which wants the new law because any "defamation of the character of the prophet Mohammed (Peace Be Upon Him)" is a "direct insult and abuse of the Muslim community". As Mr Moore goes on to write: "In effect, he is asking for the law of libel to be extended beyond the grave, giving religious belief a protection extended to no other creed or version of history." I, myself, contributed a posting to TV Channel 4's website two nights ago headed "Time for Muslims to Reconsider Attitudes". Usually responses number from 4 to 35. There were nearly two hundred by earlier today. I was wryly amused that virtually none of the muslim posters addressed the issues I was discussing. Instead they chose to be scornful, suggest I was a liar or imparting false information. (I expected this, of course.) In truth it really underlined even more forcibly the very point I had been attempting to make - that Islam appeared to be intolerant and beyond criticism. Almost every posting went off at a tangent, and included in one: The American republican Christians are just as frightening as some Muslim clerics. And the former are much wealthier and therefore more powerful. Another contributor poured derision on me for daring to post an opinion without being a Learned Professor of the Koran (I actually know quite a lot about it!) which was irrelevant in the context of the discussion. To me it smacked of desperation - an inability to accept any of even the factual matter I posted. If you're interested: http://community.channel4.com/6/ubb.x?x=frm&s=162603557&f=503603557
1 posted on 12/14/2004 3:46:32 PM PST by Andika
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To: Andika

someone has to post the Christmas turkey scene.


2 posted on 12/14/2004 3:47:32 PM PST by Mercat (Merry Christmas and a Blessed New Year)
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To: Andika

Awwwww, the poor throat-slitters. They're sooooo sensitive!

"It's a religion of peace, and we will kill you to prove it!"


3 posted on 12/14/2004 3:47:49 PM PST by broadsword (When Islam creeps into a human society, oppression, misogyny and terror come hard on its heels.)
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To: Andika

I don't like when people badmouth Christ or Christianity. Yet, I don't like it when I cannot express my opinions regarding other beliefs either.


4 posted on 12/14/2004 3:55:57 PM PST by paudio (Four More Years..... Let's Use Them Wisely...)
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To: paudio
I don't like when people badmouth Christ or Christianity.

Neither do I...but I'll defend to the death their right to do so. Anything less means the America my daughter grows up in will be that much worse than the one I grew up in. Anything less is less than my daughter deserves.

5 posted on 12/14/2004 4:01:47 PM PST by Terabitten (Alpha Male of the Free Republic wolfpack)
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To: Andika

A bit off topic but... try substituting LIBERAL for Muslim in the following sentences: I was wryly amused that virtually none of the muslim posters addressed the issues I was discussing. Instead they chose to be scornful, suggest I was a liar or imparting false information. (I expected this, of course.) In truth it really underlined even more forcibly the very point I had been attempting to make - that Islam appeared to be intolerant and beyond criticism. Almost every posting went off at a tangent


6 posted on 12/14/2004 4:12:47 PM PST by mistfree (Liberal = Radical Islam?)
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Defamation of mohammed... let's try. mohammedsucks mohammedsucks mohammedsucks mohammedf@@@@@hismother oh wait mohammed has no mother mohammed is gay mohammed plays with his little tiny minute dinky.... Ah, you get the point.


7 posted on 12/14/2004 4:50:37 PM PST by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither-)
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To: Andika

Once it hits them that it means they can't bash Christians anymore, they'll change their tune.

Of course, they could conveniently overlook the Christian-bashing, couldn't they?


8 posted on 12/14/2004 5:10:51 PM PST by GenXFreedomFighter (Somebody had to say it.)
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To: Andika

Mr. Bean Laden

9 posted on 12/14/2004 5:23:13 PM PST by jrewingjr
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To: paudio
I don't like when people badmouth Christ or Christianity. Yet, I don't like it when I cannot express my opinions regarding other beliefs either.

Christianity is strong enough to withstand criticism. It's been 'vetted' so to speak. Islam is just beginning to encounter real criticism and it can't handle it.

10 posted on 12/14/2004 5:25:15 PM PST by nosofar
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To: 383rr

You have offended us! Allah shall visit a fatwah upon you infidel! We shall cry tears of humiliation like unto a river which shall surely drown you! Allah and his soggy feet shall stomp you like the grapes in the winepress of the caterers of the 72 virgins!

Yeah.

11 posted on 12/14/2004 5:33:30 PM PST by jrewingjr (Mohammed was a demon-possessed pedophile.)
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To: jrewingjr

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Good one.


12 posted on 12/14/2004 5:47:05 PM PST by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither-)
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To: jrewingjr

>Mr. Bean Laden
Love it! If only the "authentic" one was also able to add to life in any way - rather than subtracting from it!

>"It's a religion of peace, and we will kill you to prove it!"

Very much the prevailing atittude. The hypocrisy is staggering. Saudis - fervent Muslims for five days of the weke before they climb into their Mercedes and zip across the causeway into "liberal" Bahrein to whoop it up! I see women are still struggling to be permitted to drive! Only a couple of examples, of course.....

>Christianity is strong enough to withstand criticism

The profundity of these seven words is truly immense. As with individuals, it is those with the not-dared-to-be-accessed doubts somewhere deep within that creates a sense of unrecognised insecurity which, in turn, provokes an aggressive, out-of-proportion response to even a hint of criticism - as if admitting there is a hairline crack in the plaster
would then bring the entire wall crumbling! Those with a strong belief in their faith may not favour criticism, of course, and they will put forward their point of view. But they do some with a sense of invulnerability, aware that other opinions are unlikely to shake that assurance. They are highly unlikely to snarl, lash out, throat-slit or impose a fatwah!




13 posted on 12/15/2004 8:49:05 AM PST by Andika (uite insignifficant.)
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