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The New Red-Diaper Babies
The New York Times ^ | 12/7/04 | David Brooks

Posted on 12/09/2004 7:26:45 AM PST by DaveLoneRanger

here is a little-known movement sweeping across the United States. The movement is "natalism."

All across the industrialized world, birthrates are falling - in Western Europe, in Canada and in many regions of the United States. People are marrying later and having fewer kids. But spread around this country, and concentrated in certain areas, the natalists defy these trends.

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In a world that often makes it hard to raise large families, many are willing to move to find places that are congenial to natalist values. The fastest-growing regions of the country tend to have the highest concentrations of children. Young families move away from what they perceive as disorder, vulgarity and danger and move to places like Douglas County in Colorado (which is the fastest-growing county in the country and has one of the highest concentrations of kids). Some people see these exurbs as sprawling, materialistic wastelands, but many natalists see them as clean, orderly and affordable places where they can nurture children.

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You can see surprising political correlations. As Steve Sailer pointed out in The American Conservative, George Bush carried the 19 states with the highest white fertility rates, and 25 of the top 26. John Kerry won the 16 states with the lowest rates.

In The New Republic Online, Joel Kotkin and William Frey observe, "Democrats swept the largely childless cities - true blue locales like San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, Boston and Manhattan have the lowest percentages of children in the nation - but generally had poor showings in those places where families are settling down, notably the Sun Belt cities, exurbs and outer suburbs of older metropolitan areas."

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: bluestate; bluestates; natalism; nytimes
So while liberals try to perpetrate the myth that divorce is higher in Bush states ("Jesusland" - I love that title), it turns out that libs aren't making any babies. (Except maybe Jesse Jackson) Could it be that libs will die out?

I would also like to see the stats on abortion rates per state. This could explain a lot.

1 posted on 12/09/2004 7:26:45 AM PST by DaveLoneRanger
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To: DaveLoneRanger
"The fastest-growing regions of the country tend to have the highest concentrations of children."

So the population is growing in places where there are children???

I'm shocked!!

2 posted on 12/09/2004 7:33:29 AM PST by ZGuy
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To: DaveLoneRanger

I have been posting on this for a number of days. My hunch is that conservative women are outbreeding liberals at a pace of 2 to 1.


3 posted on 12/09/2004 7:33:45 AM PST by FastCoyote
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Interesting article.

I think the "divorce rate" figure is the result of faulty, or deliberately skewed, comparisons. The study looked at number of divorces in relation to the number of marriages, not the number of divorces in relation to the population at large. So the study may in fact reflect divorces in a state which already has a higher marriage rate, as opposed to a state where there is a lower marriage rate in the general population and therefore fewer marriages to start with.


4 posted on 12/09/2004 7:36:17 AM PST by cvq3842
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To: FastCoyote
As James Taranto would say, "what would we do without experts?" My hunch is that conservative women are outbreeding liberals at a pace of 2 to 1. My mother always says "better politics through fertility!" Turns out she's right!
5 posted on 12/09/2004 7:36:22 AM PST by DaveLoneRanger (Knight of Gondor)
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To: FastCoyote

I don't think the number of children per family is that closely tied to political views. I know several families with democrat parents that have 5 or 6 kids. I know a good many conservatives who don't have kids or only have 1. Maybe in big cities you can find a pattern, but I'm sure that you can find families large and small in both liberal and conservative areas.


6 posted on 12/09/2004 7:39:20 AM PST by susiek
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To: susiek

"I don't think the number of children per family is that closely tied to political views."

I disagree, but I am just trying to find the numbers. We should all start here (as mentioned by Brooks above).

http://www.isteve.com/babygap.htm

That is a must read artical. Moreover, even the good news is dismal, we aren't reproducing except in Alaska and Utah.


7 posted on 12/09/2004 7:42:49 AM PST by FastCoyote
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To: susiek

"I don't think the number of children per family is that closely tied to political views. I know several families with democrat parents that have 5 or 6 kids."

Ain't that the truth. My ex-wife was hard-core leftist and wanted a new baby every time Saturday Night Live brought in a new cast member.


8 posted on 12/09/2004 7:44:53 AM PST by fo0hzy
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To: fo0hzy

Is Saturday Night Live still on TV ?


9 posted on 12/09/2004 7:47:28 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: DaveLoneRanger

I think that a more obvious demographic statistic would by the percentage of homosexuals. The article didn't mention Miami, but the top three cities with the highest percentages of homosexuals are San Francisco, Miami and Seattle. The homosexual movement controls the Democrat party and is largely responsible for its decline.


10 posted on 12/09/2004 7:48:39 AM PST by Eva
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To: Eva

Food for thought.


11 posted on 12/09/2004 8:00:37 AM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
"As for you, be fruitful and increase in number; multiply on the earth and increase upon it." - Genesis 9:7

The wife and I had #3 this past August.

12 posted on 12/09/2004 8:35:11 AM PST by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I did say EX-wife :P
13 posted on 12/09/2004 8:55:44 AM PST by fo0hzy
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To: Bosco
The wife and I had #3 this past August
That's a good start. ;) I'm one of six.
14 posted on 12/09/2004 9:15:01 AM PST by DaveLoneRanger (Knight of Gondor)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Offset by immigration, yet Jorge wants amnesty. How is society really run?

Young families move away from what they perceive as disorder, vulgarity and danger and move to places like Douglas County in Colorado

This might explain a simple move to the 'burbs, but when people start fleeing whole areas and states something much deeper is going on. What these people are mainly fleeing is multiculturalism and the alien, blade runner atmosphere of many American cities. Brooks isn't going to touch that.

15 posted on 12/09/2004 9:18:40 AM PST by jordan8
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To: FastCoyote

Democrats have a dying party. Their coalition is falling apart because they can't pay off since they are out of power.

Their demographics are also not sustainable.

The Roosevelt Democrats are dying off.

Gays without artificial insemination or surrogate parenthood do not breed.

Feminists believe that every pregnancy should end in abortion.

Blacks and Hispanics are increasingly entering the ownership class.

Democrats are seriously in danger of becoming a permanent minority party.


16 posted on 12/09/2004 9:25:50 AM PST by TASMANIANRED (Free the Fallujah one)
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To: FastCoyote

If you're pinging on those articles please include me. Hubby and I have done our part to make red-diaper babies. LOL


17 posted on 12/09/2004 9:26:45 AM PST by tutstar ( <{{--->< http://ripe4change.4-all.org Violations of Florida Statutes ongoing!)
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To: Nightshift

poing


18 posted on 12/09/2004 9:29:14 AM PST by tutstar ( <{{--->< http://ripe4change.4-all.org Violations of Florida Statutes ongoing!)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

...and also cohabitation versus marriage per state...

Dems/Libs love abortion, so they are, by definition, killing their own. They are fools.


19 posted on 12/09/2004 9:31:44 AM PST by DennisR (Look around - there are countless unmistakable hints that God exists)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Libs and radical homosexuals share two things in common.....they don't/can't procreate so they must 'reproduce' through recruitment/indoctrination.


20 posted on 12/09/2004 12:38:30 PM PST by Lindykim (")
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