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>>>>>Unfortunately, Oliver Stone has chosen to build his epic of the Macedonian military genius around a word highly unlikely to make the list: "crybaby". <<<<<<

Oliver Stone is not the only smammeister in town. State Department has made much bigger sham by recognzing Former Yugolsav Republic of Macedonia under fraudulent name "Macedonia".

Interestigly enough, both shams were synchronized. This is an exaple how media hype can be used as Force multiplier to shape public perception.

Macedonia is historical Hellenic province,rooted in history for more then two millennia. "Macedonia" State Department recogized is communist forgery created after WWII. Yet, State Department inked communist fraud, not historical fact and created row with NATO ally. This is a Danaian Gift departing Trojan Horse left to Bush Administration.

Under tainted logic "Alexander The Great was Macedonian, State Department recognized Macedonia" the sizable majority of Americans will conclude that present day "Macedonia" is the country of Alexander The Great.

The whole mess was started by Communist dictator Tito who afer WWII chopped off part of Serbia to create new state under fraudulent name Macedonia. He stole the land from Serbia, the name from Greece and then forge new "Macedonian" nation. Inhabitants of "Macedonia" were Serbs, Bulgrars, Greeks, Tzintzars, Gypsies and Turks.

Communists first invented Macedonian langage (butchered dialect of Bulgarian). Once the nation without historical root was invented, Communists in charge started with falsifying history. As a result, many "Macedonians" today sincerely believe that they are descendants of Alexander The Great and consider Churches and Monasteries built by Serbian kings are their own. To top the achievement, communists invented Macedonian Orthodox Church (not recogized by any Orthodox Church).

This is one of the larger scale forgeries of the 20th century, delusion of the masses as if Americans started to believe to be descendant of Mayan Empire.

"Alexander" is entertainment one may choose to patron or not. The Box Office will be the judge.

"Macedonia" is State Department endorsed fraud and Americans have no say wether to be a part of it or not. This shameful decision has to be REVOKED.

[Defiant]

Good Lord, maybe Greeks ARE the world's biggest crybabies. It's a name! It describes a region. We still call it Indiana, even though all the Indians are gone, and whether or not the people who live in present day Macedonia are descendents of the people who lived there in Alexander's time, it's still Macedonia. I think Greece has bigger problems than what their neighbor slavs choose to call themselves--like being the most anti-American European country around, and having just barely emerged from the third world economically.

Place names are one of the things that survive conquest and that tell us of the one time existence of people long since gone. Place names in Italy tell us of an Etruscan past, and in Britain of a Celtic one. In southern Russia, place names have Iranian origins, and in Anatolia, many have Greek origins. Sicily was a Greek colony. Is it ok to call it Sicily still? Thanks.

Give it a rest.

[sinanju]

"Communists first invented Macedonian langage (butchered dialect of Bulgarian). Once the nation without historical root was invented, Communists in charge started with falsifying history. As a result, many "Macedonians" today sincerely believe that they are descendants of Alexander The Great and consider Churches and Monasteries built by Serbian kings are their own. To top the achievement, communists invented Macedonian Orthodox Church (not recogized by any Orthodox Church).

This is one of the larger scale forgeries of the 20th century, delusion of the masses as if Americans started to believe to be descendant of Mayan Empire.

"Alexander" is entertainment one may choose to patron or not. The Box Office will be the judge.

"Macedonia" is State Department endorsed fraud and Americans have no say wether to be a part of it or not. This shameful decision has to be REVOKED."

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Funny you should bring that up. The Romans themselves were the ultimate in shameless self-invention. I did some digging recently when I was trying to learn the origins of the "Aneid of Virgil" (Rome being founded by two wandering warriors fleeing the sack of Troy). It was commissioned by Emperor Augustus (Virgil was none to eager for the job) and incorporated into Rome's official mythology. The earlier Romulus and Remus legend was rewritten to fit. In fact the romans were originally a tribe dominated and ruled by their neighbors the Etruscans, whom they eventually threw off with spawning many heroic legends to suit the occasion (Horatius at the Bridge, the sacred geese giving alarm, etc.) They were history's masters at borrowing and adapting, and claiming for their own, their neighbors technology, culture and gods. Especially the Etruscans and the Latin Greeks (Magna Graecia, Epirus of Phyrrus). The earlier republican roman patricians were fanatics at ancestor worship (which they didn't hesitate to invent the farther back they reached). They pretty much acquired and renamed the entire Greek celestial linup. Everywhere they conqured and colonized they adopted local gods and cults. It can get downright hilarious when you look into it.