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Ukraine Protesters Told to March to Parliament
reuters ^ | Nov 23

Posted on 11/23/2004 3:51:14 AM PST by Truth666

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41 posted on 11/23/2004 11:01:33 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

http://www.maidan.org.ua/static/news/1101187142.html

Putin: Criticism of vote inadmissible without official results

Nov 23, 20:52

LISBON, Portugal (AP) - Russian President Vladimir Putin said Nov. 23 that criticism of the Ukrainian election by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe is "inadmissible" because there are no official results.

"They should be more careful and responsible," Putin said of the OSCE which participated in the monitoring of the presidential vote.

OSCE observers said extensive indications of voting fraud were found in Ukraine's presidential election Nov. 21, including people apparently voting multiple times and voters being forced to turn over their absentee ballots to state employers.

"We cannot recognize or protest results that are not yet official," Putin told a news conference during an official visit to Lisbon, Portugal.

"Ukraine is a state of law. It doesn't need to be lectured," Putin said through an interpreter.

Ukraine's opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko claimed Nov. 23 that he won the country's election and called for international recognition.

Yushchenko and his supporters accused the authorities of rigging the Nov. 21 vote in favor of Kremlin-backed Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych and announced a campaign of civil disobedience.

The OSCE determined there were "violations of the basic standards for free, fair and democratic elections" that have led to "justifiable doubts about the official results."

German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer said Nov. 23 that Europe was closely watching the developments in Ukraine. He appealed for calm and urged an investigation of the results.

Putin also called for calm and respect for the law in Ukraine and defended his decision to congratulate Yanukovych after Sunday's ballot.

"It's true I congratulated a candidate, but not according to the official results - according to projections from exit polls," Putin said.

He questioned the credibility of the OSCE's observers in elections in Afghanistan last month and in Kosovo where it has monitored three elections since 1999, most recently a general election last month.

"As long as they keep having the same stance their credibility will be further undermined," Putin said of the observers.

"When you try to paint one candidate with Russian colors and another with western colors - that attitude belongs in the past. We cannot accept that the world be painted in two colors only and use that simple, good-and-evil view of the world. That will only help to further divide" Ukraine, Putin said.

The OSCE largely monitors human rights and elections across Eastern Europe, the Balkans and the former Soviet Union, but also has cooperation agreements with several Mediterranean and Asian countries.

Russia has been pushing for reform of the 55-nation OSCE since August, accusing it of double standards and saying it unfairly criticizes governments in some countries.

The watchdog body had said Russia's parliamentary elections last December and the presidential campaign that led to Putin's March re-election fell short of democratic standards.


42 posted on 11/23/2004 11:05:56 AM PST by AdmSmith
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To: Truth666
WITH 65 PERCENT OF BALLOTS, CAST AT POLLING STATIONS ABROAD, COUNTED, AS OF 9 A M MONDAY, VIKTOR YUSCHENKO LEADING WITH 52.8 PERCENT

KYIV, November 1 /Ukrinform/. According to Chairman of the Central Electoral Commission Sergei Kivalov, as of 9 a m Monday, November 1, 65 percent of ballots, last by Ukrainian voters at polling stations abroad, were counted. As Mr Kivalov said, Viktor Yuschenko collected 52.8 percent of the votes versus Viktor Yanukovych's 37.87 percent. According to Foreign Ministry press secretary Markian Lubkivsky, in Belgium and Luxembourg 359 Ukrainian citizens participated in the election, or 43 percent of the total number of registered eligible voters (886 persons). Viktor Yuschenko mustered 75 percent of the votes versus Viktor Yanukovych's 20.9 percent. In Sweden Ukrainian voters cast 66.4 percent of the ballots in favor of Viktor Yuschenko. Yanukovych scored 41.9 percent.

In Stockholm, only 18 percent of the registered Ukrainian voters came to the Embassy's polling station. According to the observers, many were prevented from exercising their constitutional right by the incorrect lists of voters.

The list contained 714 names. One hundred and thirty one voters came to the polling station in Stockholm, of whom 87 cast their ballots in support of Viktor Yuschenko and 32 in support of Viktor Yanukovych. Ukrainian nationals in Serbia and Montenegro came to vote at the Ukrainian Embassy's polling station in Belgrade. The list comprised about 400 voters, of whom 137 citizens participated in the election. In Kosovo all the 251 Ukrainian military servicemen and 225 police officers cast ballots. In Russia's second biggest city and once capital, St Petersburg the bulk of those who participated in the voting supported Viktor Yanukovych (493 ballots out of the total number of 634 ballots cast). Viktor Yuschenko collected 86 ballots. The other 22 candidates' scores were computable in one-digit figures at best, and some failed to collect any votes in their support.

About a thousand Ukrainian citizens went to vote in New York City, about 2,250 voted in Washington, DC, Chicago, Illinois and San Francisco, California. Over 1,600 Ukrainian voters were registered in London, UK, of whom 877 participated in the October 31 election. The bulk of them (788) cast ballots in support of Viktor Yuschenko, Viktor Yanukovych scored 41 ballots. Serhi Komisarenko, who once was Ukraine's Ambassador to Britain, collected nine votes. According to unofficial data, there are several dozens of thousands of Ukrainian nationals in Britain, but only a fraction were entered in the list of voters. According to the Ukrainian Embassy in Pretoria, South Africa, 70 percent of the registered Ukrainian voters, who basically reside in the Ganteng Province, came to the Embassy's polling station to cast ballots on October 31.

43 posted on 11/23/2004 11:12:15 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: Truth666; Lukasz; Grzegorz 246; Agog

The Russians are threatening Ukraine:
http://www.interfax.ru/e/B/0/28.html?id_issue=10723614

Moscow worried by reaction of Ukrainian radical opposition

MOSCOW. Nov 23 (Interfax) - Moscow is concerned about how the Ukrainian radical opposition has reacted to the outcome of the second round of the presidential elections in Ukraine, the Russian Foreign Ministry said in a statement posted on its website on Tuesday evening.

"The reaction of the Ukrainian radical opposition forces to the outcome of the voting and their public calls not to recognize and annul them causes perplexity and extreme concerns. It only deserves regret that these demands aimed at destabilizing the situation have not only been supported but also provoked by representatives of certain foreign countries, including those across the ocean, and international institutions," the Foreign Ministry said.

Ukraine is hearing "calls for antidemocratic and unlawful steps and disobedient actions," the Foreign Ministry said.

"The radicals in Ukraine and outside it should understand that fomenting tensions and calling for forceful actions can extremely heat up the situation and lead to grave consequences," the statement says.


44 posted on 11/23/2004 11:15:10 AM PST by AdmSmith
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To: Truth666
News from Ukraine All the important news

since 26 August 2000

Natalya Krasnoboka

Fighting corruption

In comparison with neighboring Russia, Ukraine has had a relatively quite summer. The break from political life has been interrupted only once by the arrest of Olexandr Tymoshenko, a member of the board of the United Energy Systems of Ukraine Corporation. The arrest of this businessman is not seen as an extraordinary event in modern Ukrainian life.

However, Tymoshenko is not only a businessman but also the husband of Yuliya Tymoshenko, vice prime minister of the current Cabinet. It is difficult to give a prove whether the arrest of Olexandr Tymoshenko is in any way connected with his wife's job.

Together with Valery Falkovych, first deputy general director of the corporation, Tymoshenko is officially accused of embezzling USD 800 000 in public funds through the export of rolled metal to Asia during the 1990s.

On her part, Yulia Tymoshenko blames her political rivals for the action taken against her husband. She sees the fear and anger of her opponents, because of her constant desire and efforts to stop corruption in Ukraine's energy sector, as the main reason behind his arrest.

The story took on a new course on Friday when Deputy Chief Prosecutor Mykola Obykhod accused the corporation of illegally transferring more than USD 1.1 billion abroad. More fuel was added to the fire by the release of information that up to USD 100 million was sent to the accounts of former Prime Minister Pavlo Lazarenko, who is still waiting for the final verdict from the American and Swiss courts on the matter of corruption during his time in the Cabinet of Ministers.

This information not only etablishes clear links between Olexandr Tymoshenko and the disgraced ex-Prime Minister, but between Lazarenko and Yulia Tymoshenko as well. At the time of the illegal transactions mentioned by the prosecutor, Yulia Tymoshenko was head of the United Energy Systems of Ukraine Corporation.

Further developments are expected to follow soon. From now on, it is difficult to draw any conclusions or take information presented by the prosecutors for granted.

Only one thing is clear: Yulia Tymoshenko, who will possibly be supported by Prime Minister Yuschenko, some other members of the Cabinet and her own political party Batkivschyna (Fatherland), is not going to give up on her husband's arrest nor with the accusations against herself.

45 posted on 11/23/2004 11:21:31 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: eluminate

Russians, ethnically, are the majority in Crimea, Lughansk and Kharkov (both built by the Tsars). Further, most of the people of eastern and southern Ukraine, the majority, are intermixed with Russians, since technically it was run away Russian serfs who formed the Cossaks of this area.


46 posted on 11/23/2004 11:24:30 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: jb6

I can see that you have obtained an old article. Why not check this http://www.10iacc.org/content.phtml?documents=300&art=47 and the pdf file http://www.10iacc.org/download/w2-05.pdf from The International Anti-Corruption Conference (IACC)

you may as well read this page http://www.tymoshenko.com.ua/eng/about/

Being the head of the Parliament Budget Committee, Yuliya Tymoshenko initiated the budget reform. As the vice prime minister for fuel and energy sector at the Cabinet of Ministers she was striving to bring the industry out of collapse and managed to establish conditions favorable for its economic growth.

When in Cabinet, Tymoshenko took the unprecedented steps to de-criminalize the "backbone" of Ukraine's economy, its fuel and energy sector. In 2000, the Government paid to the population the additional UAH 18 billion, out of which UAH 9 billion was raised through withdrawing costs from the shadow economy, prohibition of barter and introduction of the principles of competition into the energy market. Being deprived of their "shadow" incomes by Tymoshenko's reforms, the financial and industrial lobbyists from the presidential circles got the President to sign the decree on her dismissal in January 2000.

In February 2001, Tymoshenko headed the united democratic opposition, which demanded the dismissal of President Leonid Kuchma suspected of a number of crimes, such as involvement in the murder of journalist Georgy Gongadze, falsification of the presidential and parliamentary election results, power abuse, corruption, etc.

On February 13, Yuliya Tymoshenko was arrested on charges brought by the Prosecutor General's office against her. General public regarded this fact as a savage punishment of the democratic movement.

In March, Kyiv's Pechersk District Court found charges brought against Tymoshenko groundless and cancelled the warrant on her arrest.

In September, Yuliya Tymoshenko lodged a complaint against the actions of the Prosecutor General's office. Her court appeal is another evidence of Tymoshenko's resolution to prove that none of the charges boosted by oligarch-controlled media are grounded.


47 posted on 11/23/2004 12:22:36 PM PST by AdmSmith
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http://www.kyivpost.com/top/21857/

Lytvyn says authorities ready for negotiations; Tymoshenko says no

Nov 23, 21:46
Yanukovych and Kuchma want to talk; Yushchenko camp names hard conditions as Tymoshenko refuses to meet

(Korrespondent.net and Post Staff) Rada speaker Volodymyr Lytvyn announced that President Leonid Kuchma and the authorities' chosen candidate Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych have expressed a readiness to take part in a roundtable negotiation with opposition candidate Viktor Yushchenko.

The speaker also said he spoke with Yushchenko representatives, who said they were ready for a dialogue but demanded a number of conditions. But in an appearance on Channel 5 television on the evening of Nov. 23, opposition leader Yulia Tymoshenko said the opposition refused to negotiate.

Lytvyn said he reported the conditions to Yanukovych, who responded that "a theme for negotiations exists," and that conditions can be discussed.

The speaker suggested that the meeting of the three sides take part in the Rada. "The meeting place doesn't matter; what matters is the essence of the negotiations. Today politicians should talk, and if they don't, then the streets are going to talk for them," said the parliament leader.


48 posted on 11/23/2004 1:26:47 PM PST by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith

I'm betting on the following if the stupid bastrd (Yuschenko) doesn't get it through his thick skull that he lost and storms the central election commision Ukraine will split into two. Possibly with bloodshed which noone wants to happen. He lost period, exit polls were wrong cause noone polled the easter half where more of the population is located. The polls were done in Kiev and Lvov and thats one biased opinion of course it would say he would win there by 75 to 25%...

I m betting that the interantional community will ostrosize Ukrane and it will have to bear the brunt of world opinion just without the resources US had when we elected Bush. I m betting the only one Ukraine will turn to is Russia because that is the only path left when Europe and US are screaming at you when you elect someone they didnt like. I m betting that after Russian enters the WTO the eastern half of Ukraine along with all of the south will have a referrendum and join Russia or do so before hand if this idiot storms the capital.


49 posted on 11/23/2004 2:22:14 PM PST by eluminate
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To: eluminate
The polls were done in Kiev and Lvov and thats one biased opinion of course it would say he would win there by 75 to 25%...

Typical Soviet propaganda. Polls are OK, just you are wrong. Probably cause you are Russian. I didn’t heard about any pro-Yanukovych demonstrations in Eastern part of Ukraine. Stalin said about polish fighters “bandits and criminals” you are calling Yuschenko “bastard and idiot”. You Russians could cheat even the devil but not the Pole, we know every your dirty trick.
50 posted on 11/23/2004 3:21:04 PM PST by Lukasz (Terra Polonia Semper Fidelis!)
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To: Lukasz

you didnt? http://www.ukrnow.com/content/view/1953/2/
but this is also because he won and the people didn't expect such a challenge by the oposition so its slower then the other side but trust me more people in east and south.
and how about that? notice all of south and east asking the opposition to chill out.
http://www.ukrnow.com/content/view/1971/2/

all of my family comes from crimea, my grandmother is from zhitomerskaya oblast.


51 posted on 11/23/2004 5:22:08 PM PST by eluminate
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To: AdmSmith
Ukraine is hearing "calls for antidemocratic and unlawful steps and disobedient actions," the Foreign Ministry said.
Obey!
52 posted on 11/23/2004 6:36:22 PM PST by anguish (while science catches up.... mysticism!)
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To: eluminate

Did you just read the article that I did?


53 posted on 11/23/2004 9:33:05 PM PST by loboinok (GUN CONTROL IS HITTING WHAT YOU AIM AT.)
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To: Truth666
Lugner calling Kuschma to cancel the election - Kuschma has two alternatives : follow in the footsteps of Yeltsin of October 1999 or follow these calls. The two immediate questions : Will this march end like the Belgrade did ? What will Kuschma do ?
Kuchma declared himself ready to transfer his powers to Yushchenko in the morning, Yulia Tymoshenko claims
http://maidan.org.ua/static/enews/1101252011.html
If NATO's mouthpiece Yulia Tymoshenko for one time is not lying then Kuschma refused to follow the footsteps of Yelstsin.
54 posted on 11/24/2004 4:47:57 AM PST by Truth666
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To: Truth666
Place your bets. After all it's the end game.
This was the first thread to point out the obvious : It's the endgame for NATO. And that's why it is also the endgame for Moscow.
Forget about negotiated splitting. What NATO wants, starting with Sevatopol, is located in the wrong half.

55 posted on 11/24/2004 5:37:12 AM PST by Truth666
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To: Lukasz

The only thing that seems on your mind is the expansion of that Socialist/Communist super state you now belong to. As for the Russian minority and the fact that the majority of Ukrainians are either ethnically or culturally mixed or directly related to Russians, we'll just ignore that little fact. You're full of hatred for Russians, fine, your view, keep it in your Socialist (soon to be Islamicized) Super State.


56 posted on 11/24/2004 6:58:50 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: jb6
JB6 and ELUMINATE = commie provocateur plants, Bagdad Bob, Dan Rather, Michael Moore pale in comparison to those activists. They are disgrace to FR and have no place to be here. Go to Err America!!!
57 posted on 11/24/2004 7:19:32 AM PST by Leo Carpathian (Osama, you can come out, to claim Nobel prize for peace!)
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To: Leo Carpathian

Excuse me mr. radical, guess if someone doesn't tote your line they are evil. Well nice to know your line is backed by Soros and the EU, just super friends of America and Bush. How many more American soldiers will die when your candidate pulls those troops out of Iraq, as he's promised and already tried to do? Were you so vocal in your support of Soros' American candidate too?


58 posted on 11/24/2004 7:25:24 AM PST by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: jb6
ROTFL I never read more silly statements than your post #56. Communist jb6 who regularly supporting communists in every country accusing me for communism? Someone paying you for such ridiculous posts?
Btw Poland is one of the few countries in Europe where number of Muslims in very very small. Personally I even didn’t met any polish-muslims.

Stop writing BS, because I never wrote that I hate Russians. I hate your commie politicians. Yabloko seems to be the most reliable party in Russia, of course not ideal but the rest are only commies.
59 posted on 11/24/2004 7:29:49 AM PST by Lukasz (Terra Polonia Semper Fidelis!)
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To: jb6

Soros and war in Iraq have nothing to do with Ukrainian elections. Stop this silly Soviet propaganda.


60 posted on 11/24/2004 7:32:24 AM PST by Lukasz (Terra Polonia Semper Fidelis!)
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