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Japanese Official Warns of Fissures in North Korea(130 generals defected?)
NYT ^ | 11/22/04 | James Brooke

Posted on 11/22/2004 4:36:06 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster

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To: FreedomPoster
Replacing one fear state with another doesn't do much, in the long term.

I have to say that crossed my mind

I would love to see Ole Kim bite the dust .. but I also don't trust China

41 posted on 11/22/2004 5:48:05 AM PST by Mo1 (Should be called Oil for Fraud and not Oil for Food)
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To: docbnj
Re #38

Right. It is their game plan. Incrementally expanding its sphere, eventually its territory this way. Keep U.S. out of E. Asian land mass. Tip the regional balance in Chinese favor. So that just about every country would kowtow to China.

42 posted on 11/22/2004 5:48:59 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

this is news? what about Ron Artest and basketball fights?

Im glad to hear the ground under Kimmies feet is unfirm, but wish these folks had defected th SK vice china


43 posted on 11/22/2004 5:49:47 AM PST by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Well if little Kim is in need of a new job, perhaps he could do a remake of Fantasy Island, or Austin Powers V?


I'm sure he would do a better job at that than he is capable of as a head of state.
44 posted on 11/22/2004 5:49:49 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: TigerLikesRooster

When people can be had by promises of "meat soup, a tile-roofed house and silk clothes," they are already slaves; the chains are only accessories.


45 posted on 11/22/2004 5:50:09 AM PST by Graymatter
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To: Arkie2

North Korea is not the biggest problem...China is...China merely wants to expand its imperialist regime officially to the Korean peninsula...and while we're at it, look at the imperialist expansion of Red China into Russia (Siberia), Africa, Iran, South America and Central America. China openly supports Al Quaeda and does not fear its Muslims because it pays them off with terrorist support. Using Wal-Mart and a leftist University system, we've already given them the treasure and secrets of the United States. China reads Karl Marx more carefully than the Russians did. We have GIVEN them the rope to hang us, and continue to do so full speed ahead. I have not bought Chinese junk in fifteen years. I urge others to follow suit and look at the bigger strategic picture.


46 posted on 11/22/2004 5:53:01 AM PST by chemainus
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To: Coop
If China were to make such an outwardly provocative move, I would expect it to be against Taiwan.

Maybe not. There were reports a few weeks ago that Chinese troops were massing on the N. Korean border. Throw in the fact that Taiwan has an ally that China won't challenge openly, yet, while everybody wants Kim Jong Il gone yesterday, and it would make sense to grab them now. Also, Taiwan has a buffer that makes an invasion a logistics nightmare for the PLA while North Korea is right there across the Yalu.

47 posted on 11/22/2004 5:56:31 AM PST by ABG(anybody but Gore) ("Oh no, not Hans Brix!")
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)
Also, Taiwan has a buffer that makes an invasion a logistics nightmare for the PLA while North Korea is right there across the Yalu.

Good point, in regards to occupation. But keep in mind that the ally concerned with Taiwan is the same one concerned with the Korean Peninsula.

48 posted on 11/22/2004 5:59:03 AM PST by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: FreedomPoster
Replacing one fear state with another doesn't do much, in the long term.

That's exactly what I was thinking. At least with Kim Jong (mentally) Il, we have a known, unstable entity. If a coup is in the works we have an unknown, unstable entity, with nukes and a 1.5 million man army trained to invade South Korea. And, they know how to live off of grass.......

49 posted on 11/22/2004 6:01:39 AM PST by Thermalseeker
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To: Coop

True, but if China were to simply replace the regime with one of their own, which may have already happened, we might never find out. Or they can claim that the situation is so bad they are moving in to restore order and replace the hardliners with a more "moderate" government. You'd probably see more efforts to normalize relations with the government in Seoul, maybe even a formal peace treaty, and a relaxing of tensions on the peninsula. I don't think they'd go so far as discussing reunification, but a more stable relationship.

Considering the fact that North Korea is such a basket case right now, I think they could pull it off easily. In fact, the folks in Japan, South Korea and Russia would probably cheer them on.


50 posted on 11/22/2004 6:10:58 AM PST by ABG(anybody but Gore) ("Oh no, not Hans Brix!")
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To: SauronOfMordor

See why NK wanted bi-lateral talks with USA. They know China is working against them and also the same reason the USA wants the rest of the nations involved. We know what's going on over there, Kerry and Democrats were/are such fools. I wonder if they will give Bush credit for this regime change. They seem to forget Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya (WMD change). Iran will go next, slowly and quietly but surely.


51 posted on 11/22/2004 6:11:36 AM PST by pangaea6
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To: TigerLikesRooster
.....four who have been integrated into active duty with the Chinese military.....

A "government-in-waiting" to be installed by the Chinese so they will have continued influence in North Korea?

52 posted on 11/22/2004 6:11:57 AM PST by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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Re #52

Yep.

53 posted on 11/22/2004 6:13:53 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The Chinese rush in to save the day...mighty rice is on the way!....


54 posted on 11/22/2004 6:18:42 AM PST by Route101
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To: TigerLikesRooster

This reminds me a bit of Khmer Rouge generals who began to break with Pol Pot/Ieng Sary, beginning to defect over the border from Cambodia into neighboring Vietnam, integrating into the PAVN as military leaders, and finally, coming back to Phnom Penh in January 1979 with the invading PAVN , knocking out the Chinese-backed Khmer Rouge, and setting up with the new pro-Hanoi/Soviet block People's Republic of Kampuchea. I also think it would be much easier to float folks around in the Shenyang district to see what is going on, than working around the northern border areas of the DPRK. A fascinating, dangerous region right now. Also, don't you just love the Japanese take on things?


55 posted on 11/22/2004 6:19:33 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (I'll take 1 good "LET'S ROLL!" over 1,000 meaningless & vulgar "ALLAH AHKBAR"'s, any day!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Can this be believed?


56 posted on 11/22/2004 6:20:16 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Bon mots

Or...he could make a porno flick and add it to his library...and send a copy to Clinton's library.....


57 posted on 11/22/2004 6:21:51 AM PST by Route101
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Another big QUESTION OF THE DAY IS:

Is Kim Jong il's eldest son [who is now disfavored and has all but kicked out of North Korea] (reports are he and the Chia Head had a doosy of an argument in Moscow),is still/now staying in Beijing at the guests of the Red Chinese, and if so, what is he doing there?

Is he being set up as a titular puppet head outside the DPRK and will be installed if the Chinese have their way and there is a coup d'etat to bring down Chia Head?

We do know that "Mr. Tokyo Disneyland" aka Kim Jong Nam was spotted at Beijing International Airport two months ago, going into the city unescorted. I think the actions and whereabouts of this key young man are critical, too.

58 posted on 11/22/2004 6:28:57 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (I'll take 1 good "LET'S ROLL!" over 1,000 meaningless & vulgar "ALLAH AHKBAR"'s, any day!)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Re #56

At least NYT fell for it. It would not surprise me if this is indeed happening. It fits the overall pattern emerging recently.

59 posted on 11/22/2004 6:30:58 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Bump for later reading of this interesting article.


60 posted on 11/22/2004 6:39:07 AM PST by jalisco555 ("The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity." W. B. Yeats)
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