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Girl, 17, jailed for ringing phone
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| Rick Brand
Posted on 11/20/2004 10:02:03 AM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak
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To: iconoclast
Or, it was perhaps a coercive threat that she'd better plead out the next day or suffer the max. I do hope that the broader record gets reviewed, to see if there is a pattern of such events from this judge - major slaps for minor peccadilos prior to conclusion of arguments.
461
posted on
04/20/2005 10:04:03 PM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
To: beezdotcom
You treat everyone else in the courtroom as worthless if you deliverately disrupt the proceedings by continuing to fiddle with your phone, thereby leaving it on to ring. Why didn't the judge call the girl on the phone-fiddling then? "Stop fiddling with that phone, turn it off, and give it to me." That would have been a more reasonable move if the goal was to keep order, rather than to just be punitive.
462
posted on
04/20/2005 10:06:46 PM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
To: BraveMan
Acevedo wasn't jailed for her ringing cell phone at all. The headline is wrong - she was jailed for criminal possession of a controlled substance.
463
posted on
04/20/2005 10:09:47 PM PDT
by
Kryptonite
(Pope Benedict XVI - The Rat Zinger!)
To: orangelobster
The more I read, the more convinced I am that he's nuts. He turns the courtroom into some kind of gameshow with his 'stump the judge' game. He's a real barrel of fun until someone passes wind or their cell phone goes off, at which time you're sentenced to 21 days in the pen. Yeah, the comment "do you think I was playing with you," which might otherwise make sense, has a kind of bizarre twist in that context.
464
posted on
04/20/2005 10:11:34 PM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
To: orangelobster
Um, Just a side note, she is now a convicted criminal on other charges, and the judge let the sentence run concurrent (at the same time) which essentially let her off after making her feel stupid.
IMHO: you are overreacting a bit.
465
posted on
04/20/2005 10:15:38 PM PDT
by
DelphiUser
("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
To: supercat
Except that 21 days served concurrently with a 45-day sentence really means zero days. Note that the 45 days wasn't passed until the next day, when she pleaded out. A coercive move? Who knows.
466
posted on
04/20/2005 10:17:09 PM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
To: supercat
Another possibility would be to "tinfoil" the courtroom - make it into a Faraday cage.
467
posted on
04/20/2005 10:18:25 PM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
To: MinuteGal
I much agree with you.
Rebellion belongs at DU.
468
posted on
04/20/2005 10:23:23 PM PDT
by
Quix
(HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING ITS POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
To: orangelobster
HARDLY an abuse of power.
Our culture has become outrageously abusive of authority; rebellious in general
and deaf to following instructions.
Such that . . . now, just to get someone's attention
one has to use a 4 X 4 where as a switch might have worked in decades past.
Cheers for the judge.
469
posted on
04/20/2005 10:25:54 PM PDT
by
Quix
(HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING ITS POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
To: livius; orangelobster; Joe Hadenuf; All
"In a courtroom, you do what the judge says - or face the consequences."
THAT IS SUPER, SUPER, SUPER
BASIC
REALITY TESTING!!! Sheesh.
Hopefully--and only hopefully--the judge got her attention.
My adopted sister was plenty skillful at rationalizing and justifying her actions from at least age 12. She spent the rest of her suicidally shortened life at 40 in and out of prison and on and off drugs.
It is INSANITY--and/or TERMINAL STUPIDITY to keep digging in front of a judge when one's hole is already plenty deep.
Perhaps it woould have been much MORE instructive for the judge to have turned her over his knee and swatted her behind several good whacks with a good elm switch. Or perhaps just slapping her face a good solid slap to wake her up.
A night in jail could have been the most loving wake-up call the arrogant brat will ever receive in life. At the rate she's going, she'll likely be classified sociopathic and become exceedingly familiar with jails and prisons for good cause.
I find your rants at the judge very ill placed.
Winking on the part of judges at terminally stupid rebellion is estroying our society. Glad the judge took some action. Sorry it was concurrent.
470
posted on
04/20/2005 10:35:08 PM PDT
by
Quix
(HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING ITS POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
To: Quix
The judge wasn't seated to judge "society."
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posted on
04/20/2005 10:35:41 PM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
To: HiTech RedNeck
One could also say he wasn't tasked with reparenting those 30 years going on 4 etiher.
But it's nice to see a judge send a long over due message instead of agreeing with anything goes relativism.
472
posted on
04/20/2005 10:46:53 PM PDT
by
Quix
(HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING ITS POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
To: HiTech RedNeck
That would have been a more reasonable move if the goal was to keep order, rather than to just be punitive.
Who says you can't do both? Besides, she never served a day more for the contempt conviction, anyway. If he really wanted to be punitive, he could have done much better.
473
posted on
04/20/2005 10:49:00 PM PDT
by
beezdotcom
(I'm usually either right or wrong...)
To: beezdotcom
Besides, she never served a day more for the contempt conviction, anyway That was not clear until the following day, when she pleaded out, possibly under coercive circumstances.
474
posted on
04/20/2005 10:51:52 PM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
To: beezdotcom
Who says you can't do both? A conservative view is that you take the minimal action required to achieve the result. In that case it would have been to order it stopped with the fiddling.
475
posted on
04/20/2005 10:53:42 PM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: Quix
he wasn't tasked with reparenting those 30 years going on 4 etiher. Well your figures are wildly off. Read the article and get some facts.
But it's nice to see a judge send a long over due message instead of agreeing with anything goes relativism.
Overdue to what? Your are charging the burden of the entire society on the girl's shoulders. That works for Jesus Christ but not for Jane Q. Sinner. It's apparent that the girl was nervous, rather than defiant, and temporarily confiscating the phone being fiddled with prior to any disruption would have been the proper move.
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posted on
04/20/2005 10:59:06 PM PDT
by
HiTech RedNeck
(No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
To: HiTech RedNeck
A conservative view is that you take the minimal action required to ACTUALLY achieve the result.
There, I fixed it.
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posted on
04/20/2005 11:16:07 PM PDT
by
beezdotcom
(I'm usually either right or wrong...)
To: supercat
Oh boy, you started this one again!
To: Kryptonite
K, she was jailed for the phone before the drug trial.
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