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Third of Americans Say Evidence Has Supported Darwin's Evolution Theory
Gallup.com ^ | 11/19/04 | Gallup

Posted on 11/19/2004 10:40:08 AM PST by jcsmonogram

GALLUP NEWS SERVICE

PRINCETON, NJ -- Some 145 years after the publication of Charles Darwin's The Origin of Species, controversy about the validity and implications of his theory still rages. Darwin personally encountered much resistance after his book was published in 1859. Seventy-nine years ago, the famous Scopes Monkey Trial in Tennessee brought the issue of exactly where human beings came from into sharp public focus in the United States. Indeed, as recently as this month, a court case in Cobb County, Ga., dealing with the treatment of evolution and creationism in school textbooks received nationwide publicity. November's National Geographic Magazine asked on its cover: "Was Darwin Wrong?" and then proceeded to devote 33 pages to answering that question.

Darwin might be surprised to find such debate still raging nearly a century and a half after he published his book. He might also be surprised to find that even today there is significantly less than majority agreement from the American public that his theory of evolution is supported by the evidence.

Gallup has asked Americans twice in the last three years to respond to the following question about Darwin's theory:

Just your opinion, do you think that Charles Darwin's theory of evolution is –  [ROTATED: a scientific theory that has been well-supported by evidence, (or) just one of many theories and one that has not been well-supported by evidence], or don't you know enough about it to say?

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To: atlaw
I've honestly never heard the "Darwinists state there is no free will" line before.

He writes in his 1994 book The Astonishing Hypothesis: The Scientific Search for the Soul, "Your joys and your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your sense of personal identity and free will, are in fact no more that the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells and their associated molecules." Crick, Francis Harry Compton
221 posted on 11/19/2004 2:44:29 PM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: atlaw; narby
Here's the deal: The philosophical implications of naturalism are troubling both to naturalists and non naturalists. One of the more absurd implications is the absence of free will. Of course the it takes a free will to argue against the existence of a free will. This is why the conclusion is troubling to naturalists. It is both absurd and self-refuting.

It is also worth noting that any worldview that puts more effort into denying reality than explaining it really isn't something to take seriously.

222 posted on 11/19/2004 2:45:03 PM PST by Dataman
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To: GarySpFc

Thanks for that additional source.


223 posted on 11/19/2004 2:46:20 PM PST by Dataman
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To: furball4paws
These other systems do not change the fact that 2 + 2 is 4.

Pick any base you want, do all the conversions, it still equals 4. Not the symbol '4,' but the quantity. Change the names; it doesn't change the quantity.
224 posted on 11/19/2004 2:46:43 PM PST by clyde asbury (Hope this is what you wanted. Hope this is what you had in mind, because this is what you're getting)
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To: Socrates1
In base-3 arithmatic

Does the spelling "arithmatic" change the word you really meant?

'arithmatic' is division by zero IMO.
225 posted on 11/19/2004 2:50:50 PM PST by clyde asbury (Hope this is what you wanted. Hope this is what you had in mind, because this is what you're getting)
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To: DameAutour
You are calling people who believe that dangerous, because no one who believes that also believes that these humans created in God's image descended from apes.

Actually, a great number of Christians, Jews and ather religious people believe Evolution was God's tool. The Pope, for instance.

The danger occurs when Creationists force secular government schools to teach Creationism side-by-side with Evolution. Those kinds of schoolroom discussions quickly descend to asking whether God exists at all. THAT is dangerous, in that young children may make up their mind for a lifetime that God doesn't exist because of a decision made in that secular classroom.

Religious people can disarm this danger by first teaching children that there are no conflicts between science and Genesis. Problem solved. Those children, perhaps of non-believing parents, are then open to learn of God with no artificial stumbling block called Creationism.

I don't know what denomination you are, but I know of none that says you have to believe in a specific interpretation of those first two chapters in Genesis. I see nothing wrong with believing that "God did it", and just leave it at that.

Yes, abosolutly, Man is special. Genesis says that. But Genesis doesn't say what molecules God manipulated over how many years and with what tool boxes. Genesis doesn't even say God created the molecules first. Molecules and Evolution are the small unimportant details.

226 posted on 11/19/2004 2:51:06 PM PST by narby
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To: DameAutour

Non-responsive. Again, what is your definition of species? Note that "ape" is not a species.


227 posted on 11/19/2004 2:53:22 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Dataman; GarySpFc

Fascinating. Loopy as all get out, but fascinating.


228 posted on 11/19/2004 2:53:24 PM PST by atlaw
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To: clyde asbury

But that is the point. If you don't look at things with the same reference, you get different answers.

Consider creationism and evolution as 2 Euler circles that not only don't intersect, they don't even mathematically "kiss". So one man's "4" is another man's
"11".


229 posted on 11/19/2004 2:54:25 PM PST by furball4paws ("Facts are very stubborn things" - Peter Wimsey)
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To: PatrickHenry

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230 posted on 11/19/2004 2:55:58 PM PST by longshadow
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To: narby
I don't know what denomination you are, but I know of none that says you have to believe in a specific interpretation of those first two chapters in Genesis. I see nothing wrong with believing that "God did it", and just leave it at that.

Unfortunately evolution is not compatable with Christianity. Death entered the world by Adam's sin, and evolution puts death billions of year prior to Adam.

You are misrepresenting the Pope's views on evolution. I suggest you read an earlier post of mind regarding Catholics in Kansas.

231 posted on 11/19/2004 2:56:31 PM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: narby
I don't know what denomination you are, but I know of none that says you have to believe in a specific interpretation of those first two chapters in Genesis. I see nothing wrong with believing that "God did it", and just leave it at that.

Unfortunately evolution is not compatable with Christianity. Death entered the world by Adam's sin, and evolution puts death billions of year prior to Adam.

You are misrepresenting the Pope's views on evolution. I suggest you read an earlier post of mind regarding Catholics in Kansas.

232 posted on 11/19/2004 2:56:51 PM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: DameAutour
And for the purposes of evolution, the new species is more complex than the ancestor.

The new species doesn't have to be more complex.

233 posted on 11/19/2004 2:57:39 PM PST by Modernman (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: narby

It's far deeper than that. There is a heliocentric theory that explains why if the rotatee is farher out from the center, it rotates slower. This is not true in geocentric theory. None of the equal area or elliptic orbit rules obtain in a geecentric theory.

As a example, the moons of Jupiter obey the farther out rule in a heliocentric theory but not in a geocentric theory. All theories are not created equal.


234 posted on 11/19/2004 2:58:51 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Modernman
And for the purposes of evolution, the new species is more complex than the ancestor.

How do you explain that in all mutations there is a loss of genetic information?
235 posted on 11/19/2004 3:01:47 PM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: DameAutour
Teaching that humans were specially created by God elevates us.

Or degrades us.

Teaching that humans are another group of animals fighting to survive leads to the belief in superior races and eugenics.

So? You say that like it's a bad thing!

236 posted on 11/19/2004 3:04:46 PM PST by balrog666 (The invisible and the nonexistent look very much alike.)
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I still fail to see, though, how some will harshly deny evolution without giving thought to the fact that it was part of the Creation process....

MEANING that yes, the first life on this earth was created by God, but over time they began to evolve via adaptation to their environments. I don't see why that's nothing that can't be believed, and in a sense, Creationism is, in and of itself, a theory. And in reality, "survival of the fittest" does make sense--the lion with the bigger teeth and greater speed will outrun and outkill the lion without.

Just a thought. (Throwing out the "Why can't we all just get along" spiel)


237 posted on 11/19/2004 3:07:41 PM PST by Tuba-Dude (Deism: at least we piss everyone off.)
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To: GarySpFc

"loss of genetic information"

Huh? Where did you find this? The fact is that most mutations don't even modify the existing gene product in a significant way.


238 posted on 11/19/2004 3:08:17 PM PST by furball4paws ("Facts are very stubborn things" - Peter Wimsey)
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To: Tuba-Dude

I meant to say, "the fact that it could be part of the Creation process". Appy-polly-loggies......at least I still have time to don an asbestos suit.


239 posted on 11/19/2004 3:08:38 PM PST by Tuba-Dude (Deism: at least we piss everyone off.)
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To: GarySpFc
How do you explain that in all mutations there is a loss of genetic information?

Just what "special" school did you attend?

240 posted on 11/19/2004 3:11:00 PM PST by balrog666 (The invisible and the nonexistent look very much alike.)
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