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To: Hoplite

"What, you mean like we tried to do during Operation Anaconda?

Wrong answer - the military started applying lessons learned during Anaconda. The point Scheuer made was that those lessons were already known.

If you've been following the battle of Fallujah, you'll have seen that it's American troops providing the security cordon, not locals. Different location, same lesson, right answer."

Nonsense. Operation Anaconda was the effort to get bin Laden in Tora Bora. We did not have the troops in Afghanistan and we had no way of getting them up into those mountains in time to catch bin Laden. Scheuer did not tell us anything we did not already know about the Afghans.

There is no comparison between Tora Bora and Fallujah. Tora Bora occurred shortly after the war began in Afghanistan and we never had the thousands and thousands of troops in Afghanistan that would have been needed to surround Tora Bora. It took us many many months to transfer our troops and equipment from the USA to Kuwait and then into Iraq for the war.

The ground around Fallujah is flat and open. The land in Tora Bora is very difficult mountainous terrain.

There is no comparison between Tora Bora and Fallujah, yet even though American troops were surrounding Fallujah, al-Zarqawi escaped from Fallujah just as surely as did bin Laden did from Tora Bora. American troops in Tora Bora would probably not have kept bin Laden from escaping from Tora Bora.

Scheuer is a loser blowhard. I will trust the judgement of General Franks before I will trust that sniveling appeaser.


162 posted on 11/17/2004 4:48:38 PM PST by Max Combined (Clinton is "the notorious Oval Office onanist ")
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To: Max Combined
Nonsense. Operation Anaconda was the effort to get bin Laden in Tora Bora. We did not have the troops in Afghanistan and we had no way of getting them up into those mountains in time to catch bin Laden. Scheuer did not tell us anything we did not already know about the Afghans.

Fine - have it your way.

The battle of Tora Bora was in December of 2001.
Operation Anaconda was in March of 2002.

Scheuer's whole thesis, which you're illustrating beautifully here, is that we haven't used the information already available to the best effect, not that he's revealing some new information.

Now STFU or go bother someone else with your ignorant prattle.

179 posted on 11/17/2004 5:19:12 PM PST by Hoplite
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