[beyond the sea]

Do you mean something comparable to your "case closed" dictum?

Try something better. By the way, the words were not meant as a "dictum", they were merely a wish.

It would be less than wise to suggest that evolution does not occur and has not occurred. But no one knows much of anything concerning what was referred to as the "beginnings". So all the musing over such things seems a little less than important.

Maybe Voltaire was right, "If there were no God, it would be necessary for man to invent one." I doubt it, but that's just me.

[Dataman]

It would be less than wise to suggest that evolution does not occur and has not occurred.

I am more concerned about what is true than what is deemed wise by some. It is true that evolution is supposed by some to be true. It is not true that it is a fact.

It would be less than wise to suggest that evolution does not occur and has not occurred.

Still, both sides agree that there was a beginning. Logic dictates that

(1)

self-causation is absurd. Logic also tells us that time is required in order for motion to occur.

(2)

The claim that time began when the bb exploded is therefore absurd as well.

(3)

Logic tells us that nothing can be infinitely small as goes the claim of the BB'ers regarding all the matter in the universe. The unit of distance called a light-year depends on a consistent speed of light yet we are told that the BB resulted in infinite temperatures

(4)

which are impossible in a finite universe and

(5)

matter traveled at many times the speed of light which requires infinite energy in a finite universe.

So if it is true that we don't know much of anything about "beginnings", we do know the materialist's version is illogical.

Maybe Voltaire was right, "If there were no God, it would be necessary for man to invent one."

Does Voltaire still have credibility with some? His most famous prediction was that Christianity would disappear within a couple of generations. It is now the world's largest and fastest growing "religion."