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To: 70times7

Well, understand that a religion-based value system (and this is what this opposition to contraception AND to abortion is) is also not to be imposed in a country without an established religion...

Deal with it!


343 posted on 11/09/2004 11:10:41 AM PST by Pitiricus
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To: Pitiricus
Well, understand that a religion-based value system (and this is what this opposition to contraception AND to abortion is) is also not to be imposed in a country without an established religion... Deal with it!

Abortion and contraception are not the same thing, even though you liberals would like to blur that distinction. Abortion violates the rights of the person murdered. Abortion is murder, you are pro abortion, you are pro murder. It's that easy, deal with it.

347 posted on 11/09/2004 11:15:43 AM PST by Protagoras (Pitiricus is a DU troll with an older sign up date)
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To: Pitiricus
Well, understand that a religion-based value system (and this is what this opposition to contraception AND to abortion is

You're a fool. Abortion is a matter of violating human rights, not faith. The question of when life begins is answered by biology, not religion. Any decent, informed atheist opposes abortion.

352 posted on 11/09/2004 11:20:39 AM PST by Sloth ("Rather is TV's real-life Ted Baxter, without Baxter's quiet dignity." -- Ann Coulter)
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To: Pitiricus
Well, understand that a religion-based value system (and this is what this opposition to contraception AND to abortion is) is also not to be imposed in a country without an established religion...

Umm, that's GOVERNMENT established religion; there is a difference. Now then, if the government abandons all moral restrictions under that premise then they would be supporting atheism wouldn't they? And you just told me that is a no-no! Quite the logical problem there eh? You deal w/ it. And here is hoping that you do better than just changing the subject as you did one post ago.

Sooooo, if we do actually go back to the original argument, the issue is not that of contraception, or of religion, or the constitution, but of moral choice surrounding murder; at least that is the logical direction I have been forwarding for discussion. If life does start at conception then what exactly is the destruction of that life? Do you know when life begins, and are you or I “god” enough to risk killing someone without knowing? Does the means by which this potential execution takes place matter? And lastly (follow carefully here) what does that have to do with any deity? Are you suggesting that murder is acceptable or that there is no murder unless God exists? My contentions have been “religion free”; methinks thou dost protest too much.

I have to go for now. Happy writing while you "deal with it".

400 posted on 11/09/2004 11:52:59 AM PST by 70times7 (An open mind is a cesspool of thought)
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To: Pitiricus
Well, understand that a religion-based value system (and this is what this opposition to contraception AND to abortion is) is also not to be imposed in a country without an established religion...

My opposition to abortion has zero to do with a religion based value system. Nothing at all.

465 posted on 11/09/2004 1:24:03 PM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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