Posted on 11/05/2004 5:21:37 PM PST by txradioguy
I'm really disappointed that you would put so much faith and trust in the MSM to believe that. Especially in the network news.
They are irrelevant. They are becoming more and more irrelevant each and every day. I have chosen to ignore them completely. I don't need to hear them, I don't need to see them, and I don't need to read them.
I guess since I completely ignore them, and couldn't care less what they do or don't do, I just can't get myself all worked up over their latest indiscretion or bias.
I just don't care because they just don't matter!
IMHO...and this is only a theory. It benefits the Rats if the calls in their favor are made EARLY. They play the game of vote supression. Low turnouts favor the Rats becasue they stake their efforts on turnout in the urban largely Rats enclaves across the country.
And we all know that if something benefits the Rats...the MSM is gonna help them carry out the plan.
Exhibit A: The phony exit poll numbers on Tuesday.
They bet the farm on the hope that the phony early numbers would stop people from going to the polls beucuse Mr. & Mrs. Average Voter would think their was no point in voting becasue the election was already decided.
That is EXACTLY why the MSM announced the Florida polls closed in 2000 when the KNEW the polls in the panhandle hadn't closed yet because they were on CST not EST. Experts say an estimated 7-10 THOUSAND votes because of that intentional "error".
In a nutshell the Rats AND the MSM are convinced most Americansare stupid and will believe anything they are told...even phony election returns.
Needed eye-drops to finish.
But wouldn't they have to be biased just to view Dan Rather and his ilk as experts?
yeah--Fox made the call for OHIO and FLORIDA, but didn't have the guts to call NEVADA--which would have put Bush over the top... cowards... they never should have called OHIO if they weren't commited to calling the election... it was ridiculous that they did not call NEVADA...
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Thanks, I missed this. However, it was very obvious that even FOX didn't want to call Ohio.
""The critical moment came at 12:41 a.m. Wednesday, when, shortly after Florida had been painted red for Mr. Bush, Fox News declared that Ohio - and, very likely, the presidency - was in Republican hands. Howard Wolfson, a strategist, burst into the 'boiler room' in Washington where the brain trust was huddled and said, 'we have 30 seconds' to stop the other networks from following suit. The campaign's pollster, Mark Mellman, and the renowned organizer Michael Whouley quickly dialed ABC, CBS, CNN and NBC - and all but the last refrained from calling the race through the night. Then Mr. Wolfson banged out a simple, two-line statement expressing confidence that Mr. Kerry would win Ohio once the remaining ballots were counted. 'What was driving our decision making was the memory of how in 2000, by allowing Florida to go for Bush, a lot of momentum was blocked,' said one person who was in the room. 'Our whole goal was stop the train from moving that way.' Train stopped, lawyers and strategists at the campaign's Washington headquarters prepared court papers to challenge Ohio's process for counting provisional ballots, and made spreadsheets comparing each county's provisional ballots with its margin of victory or defeat. Once Mr. Kerry woke up, he and his running mate, Senator John Edwards, asked myriad questions in a series of conference calls with the staff. Mr. Edwards, aides said, wanted to soldier on." But Kerry knew the gig was up. So the reason there were no calls after Fox and NBC was that Howard Wolfson -- well, Mark Mellman called all the networks and asked them not to. And as dutiful slaves to the Democratic party, CBS, CNN, ABC, MSNBC and whoever else did not make the call. MSNBC did not while NBC did. CNN, ABC, and CBS, and no other network by the way made any other calls. Fox and NBC called Florida, but that still didn't get Bush over 269.
"Then later on in the evening, on CBS, about 5 o'clock in the morning, Lesley Stahl was all upset because she said, "This shouldn't happen this way. There shouldn't be anybody assuming Bush wins until we at the networks make the call, and then the candidates concede and accept." And even Rather, when she said that, even he looked like, "What are you talking about? You don't give this up. You don't tell people this is the way this operates." She was giving up all the trade secrets. The networks determine who wins by when they call what states for who. Rather couldn't believe what he was hearing. So he had to act like she was an idiot. So basically, that's why you all stayed up longer than you needed to is because the Kerry campaign had no intention of conceding, and without that, the networks weren't going to call it. Plus the networks were called by the Kerry campaign. The Kerry campaign told them not to call Ohio, and they dutifully said, "Okay, we won't call Ohio."
Anyone with an ounce of sense calling Iowa or New Mexico with 97% reporting "to close to call" is smoking something not legal in the lower 48 or is off their meds...
Yes Dan Balther that is you, The unmitigated gall of these B@$&*#ds !!!
They Denied GWB the victory that evening out of their bias and spite, what low life turds.
And this fixation with the inside baseball what if's of Kerry still getting was 270 was worse than listening to sports-talk-radio, agghhh the agony!!!
Wonder who convinced them not to demand recounts......I suspect they were afraid that the fraud would be obvious since they always planned to steal Ohio.
Actually Fox was the first network to call Ohio for Bush. They dragged their heels all night on Florida but jumped the gun on everyone else with Ohio.
Amazing, anyone who could conclude that the networks were trying to help elect Bush would be capable of staring at a record flood level on the Mississippi river and concluding that the heartland must be suffering a widespread drought.
I did miss it. Thanks for posting it. I'm in my mountain hideaway and get radio reception "sometimes".
I'd love to see Brit get Susan Estrich back on the show and ask her about her sources who guarenteed that W's lead in Ohio would vanish once certain counties counted their ballots.
Maybe Susan could just get a pass by admitting she was DRUNK when she said it.
Imagine this: Tom Brokow is sitting in his booth for the last time reporting a presidential election. I happened to have been watching him at the moment that the word came in to his headphones that Bush was the projected winner in Ohio. Brokow stiffened as he listened, then unhesitatingly said, we are calling Ohio for President Bush. For all intents and purposes, this election is over. That is a pretty close paraphrase, and I can imagine nobody was going to dictate to him at such an important and historical point in his long career. I've always believed him to be the best of the top three by far, and he did not disappoint that time.
"Reading the thread I was flabbergasted to learn that so many Freepers really thought it mattered whether or not the the MSM "made the call." Simply amazing that they focused on the MSM instead of the actual vote counts."
I got into a couple of semi heated discussions with good freepers, that ABCNNBCBS don't declare winners and losers. That is done by each Sec of State office in each state.
This is just another example why we don't need FOX/ABCNNBCBS to determine who wins an election. We just need a couple of Freepers at each of the Sec State Offices or on line with each SOS office. I discussed this with Liz this week.
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my recollection is that msnbc called ohio -- we all cheered (around midnight or so?)-- and later "uncalled" it somehow. I don't know how, all I know is that we cheered when it went red, and later I noticed it wasn't red any more.
I was not disappopinted by Fox, puzzled - yes.
They did call Fla and Ohio for GWB before anyone else. They did show the EV count for Bush at 269 - for a long time - before any other networks did.
I think there are still one or two networks that refuse to face reality and show the correct count! LOL
But I was puzzled as to why Fox hung on 269 for so long - they wound not call Iowa, NM or Wis.
In hindsight, I think Fox was the most reasonable, and least paranoid, about calling states.
Face it, no one would be calling anything too quick - after the 2000 fiasco. And cautious on calling a state that had switched.
But it became rapidily apparent that some networks were simply refusing to call a state because it was not going for the 'Rat party.
Just my opinion.
LVM
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