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Immigration accord seen by Hutchison, Mexican official
San Antonio Express ^ | 11/5/2004 | Guillermo X. Garcia

Posted on 11/05/2004 4:00:52 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak

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To: RustysGirl
Good point.

Bush's threat to ban Tancredo from the White House didn't work on Tancredo, but some of these new guys may be made of lesser stuff.

61 posted on 11/05/2004 6:34:19 PM PST by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: radicalamericannationalist
That's just the point. We wouldn't have to import them. Our companies will be more competitive here. Get rid of Social Security, too (remember, employers pay HALF of our FICA withholding). Why should they have to? Just imagine how much more competitive our companies would be if they didn't. They wouldn't be shipping our jobs overseas. I'm still unsure about healthcare benefits. Ideally, they shouldn't be connected with your job, but I HATE the idea of nationalized healthcare.
62 posted on 11/05/2004 6:41:43 PM PST by RustysGirl
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To: RustysGirl
Should we also get rid of those pesky child labor laws? And what about laws keeping companies from dumping toxic chemicals into water ways? Let's be honest. If we want to keep our standard of living, we will never be able to compete costwise with dictatorships that do not listen to the wishes of their people.
63 posted on 11/05/2004 6:59:18 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (Kurtz had the right answer but the wrong location.)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
Here comes amnesty, under a different name no doubt.

Throw open the floodgates and learn how to speak Spanish I guess...

64 posted on 11/05/2004 7:04:50 PM PST by Walkin Man
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To: radicalamericannationalist

I have no problems with the Child Labor Laws. Even leaving out the moral issues involved, children would not be efficient workers for the kind of economy the US has. As to toxic dumping -- well, I think we've learned that it costs way more money to clean up what gets dumped than to prevent the dumping in the first place. Basically, I think adults should just take care of themselves and stop asking the government to.


65 posted on 11/05/2004 7:09:38 PM PST by RustysGirl
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

I am glad I voted for the Constitution Party candidate. I know I did not have a lot of company on this board in 04, but maybe next time I will.


66 posted on 11/05/2004 7:17:24 PM PST by Ahban
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To: Ahban
I would have liked them but their Iraq plank disturbed me, if they had seriously had the power to enact it.
67 posted on 11/05/2004 7:20:44 PM PST by radicalamericannationalist (Kurtz had the right answer but the wrong location.)
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To: dalereed
SaveOurLicense petition

Three already sent, and I'm getting more signed.

68 posted on 11/05/2004 7:53:28 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: Ahban
I am glad I voted for the Constitution Party candidate.

I did the same thing, and my conscience is clear.

69 posted on 11/05/2004 7:59:28 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
...have a worker program that will permit a free flow (of workers) across the border, but one that will have to mesh workers' needs with our homeland security needs, and that will take time."

Free flow??? Good God. It's a flippin flood. Workers needs. Jeeze Louise... all they have to do is sneak across and pop a baby out and they are in--- welching off taxpayers. What am I talking about, they are welching anyway you look at it.
TAKE TIME. Mercy. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out TIME is something we don't have. errrrrr, it isn't just the Mexicans slipping across.

I hope those "war room" readers are still lurking.

70 posted on 11/05/2004 8:25:44 PM PST by exhaustedmomma (Free Republic: Grassroots activism making a difference!! Salute, Freepers!!)
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To: bayourod
Bush wasn't elected king. He's still got to get congress to approve whatever he wants to give to illegals through congress. Ain't gonna happen. Tancredo's caucus got a lot more powerful in this election.
71 posted on 11/06/2004 7:33:49 AM PST by curiosity
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To: FITZ
Vicente Fox will make no effort to improve anything in Mexico because he knows he has the upper hand in this issue. He has sent 1/5 of his citizens over to the USA and is even more forceful in demanding we take in more. There is no end in sight to Fox's demands.

I agree. The exportation of immigrants to the US is such an established part of their policy now that there's no going back. It's also part of their economic growth plan, and one Mexican columnist, Ana Maria Salazar, has now said that the number one threat to Mexican national security is that the U.S. would close the border.

72 posted on 11/06/2004 9:07:54 AM PST by Pa' fuera
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To: exhaustedmomma
Free flow??? Good God. It's a flippin flood.

there's still a fair amount of public opinion in Mexico that it is too dangerous to cross the border and that feeling deters people. There is also an unfounded fear that they will be caught and sent home by Homeland Security. Fox needs to whittle away at these sentiments, because they are impeding his exportation program. An anmesty or official declaration from US officials would take away the inhibitions of the Mexican poor who remain and encourage them to head north. Even with a guest worker program, we're going to see even larger numbers of illegals when that declaration is made.

73 posted on 11/06/2004 9:16:48 AM PST by Pa' fuera
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To: Pa' fuera

Yes --immigration to the USA has become the only plan other than NAFTA maquilas being brought in. All the elites care about is getting the wealth they can from that country, they have no interest in building up a stable economy or improving the society. They're also beginning to move to the USA side en masse --- it seems almost no one has any real patriotism in that country.


74 posted on 11/06/2004 10:41:44 AM PST by FITZ
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

And WHY was it imperative to re-elect Bush?


75 posted on 11/06/2004 10:43:33 AM PST by StoneColdGOP (She calls me *Mini-Merc*)
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To: RustysGirl
I'm still unsure about healthcare benefits. Ideally, they shouldn't be connected with your job, but I HATE the idea of nationalized healthcare.

I think the only way to stop the total government takeover of our health care would be to require employers to provide insurance benefits. Most American businesses employing Americans already offer health insurance benefits --- it's been almost standard in this country for several generations. The businesses which profit by hiring cheap foreign labor are the ones that get by without offering health insurance, they also don't pay into Workman's Comp and don't pay their workers enough for the workers to obtain their own insurance --- basically they've learned they can bring in very cheap labor and profit immensely by having the taxpayers subsidize their labor costs.

It was interesting how the hispanic chamber of commerces --- which have been demanding access to government provided health care for their workers were the first to scream at the idea of employers providing health insurance benefits.

76 posted on 11/06/2004 10:49:22 AM PST by FITZ
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To: 4Freedom
If Bush asumes that somehow translates into a mandate for a guest worker plan he avoided talking about like the plague during his campaign, he's a fool.

I don't see how he could since he and Kerry were pretty much equal on amnesty --- Bush was elected because Kerry is far more liberal. Giving up control to the UN and world government is worse and would be harder to break away from later. The Mexican government might be calling the shots for now but really has no strength and can be brought into control later down the road.

77 posted on 11/06/2004 10:57:59 AM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ

"I think the only way to stop the total government takeover of our health care would be to require employers to provide insurance benefits."

Requiring US employers to do that (and I assume you mean by federal law) only makes it that much more expensive to employ US labor and then jobs go overseas. And we know the business lobbyists will be working overtime so such legislation never gets near a vote anyway.

I don't know. It is a tough one.


78 posted on 11/06/2004 2:07:25 PM PST by RustysGirl
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To: curiosity

And congress will be hearing about this.

I have never been a big congress nagger, but THIS issue affects our security. Saxby Chambliss' staff is going to get to know me by my first name. : )


79 posted on 11/06/2004 2:20:59 PM PST by Politicalmom ( Since Bush was selected in 2000, shouldn't he be able to run again in 2008?)
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