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To: sartorius; AnAmericanMother; Convert from ECUSA; sandyeggo; american colleen; sinkspur; ...
That is very troubling and reflects the hideous catechesis of the past 40 years. The dumbing down of the Church and the ceding of its moral posture is self evident.

Thank you! for making this point.

Almost reflective of the political landscape, the post Vatican II Catholic Church, worldwide, has slacked off on its more orthodox teachings, giving ample room to the more progressive element in the church, to experiment with liturgy, catechesis and music. Ironically, the majority of converts to the Catholic Church, come in seeking orthodoxy! They have done their homework and have a greater understanding of catechesis than those instructing them.

For us 'cradle catholics' , these liberal experiments are a deterrant to expanding our faith. Worse still, their impact on youth, has been devastating. Most come away from faith formation with a very poor, at best, understanding of their faith, leaving them ripe targets for Evangelicals.

I have total faith that, with time, the emerging trend towards orthodoxy, will prevail. In the meantime, though, I would strongly encourage devout catholics to visit other RC parishes. If necessary, visit Eastern Catholic Churches. There you will find a better alignment with the faith of the Fathers. This is especially important if, like me, you reside in a diocese shepherded by a liberal bishop. The Catholic Chuch is both Western and Eastern.

CATHOLIC RITES AND CHURCHES .

81 posted on 11/06/2004 2:42:59 PM PST by NYer ("Blessed be He who by His love has given life to all." - final prayer of St. Charbel)
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I really feel that the Catholic Church needs to abolish Vatican II return to the laws, practices and traditions prior to Vatican II implication.

There has been nothing but turmoil, confusion and a exodus from the pews of what was one of the mosdt strongest supporters of the values that we are fighting to retain and in some cases to return to now.

Vatican II and it's attempt to accept the teachings of other more permissive religions is a failure. If the Vatican places no value in Catholicism why would the people. Prior to V2 a Catholic and being a Catholic was very unique and the people felt the difference between themselves and members of other religions. Catholics were taught that the Catholic Church was the one true Church because of it's connection with Jesus through his apostile Peter. Peter being the Rock that the church was built on.

The Lord chose Peter because Peter was an ordinary commonsense man. He was not the most intelleigent or the most creative of the Apostles -- To ensure that the HOLY Roman Catholic Church would endure until the end times, The Lord built his church on the weakest link of the chain, because a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link -- Peter -- a common man.

Rome has lost the faith, we need to return to the time of our father's or better still our Grandfather's time and the Catholicism Practiced then, prior to Vatican II. The Catholic Church was always a hard place to live in, but the Best Place to die in.


85 posted on 11/06/2004 3:18:09 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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As one who has a good friend who is Eastern Catholic, who helped me appreciate Eastern Catholicism, and having had the recent pleasure of attending an Eastern Catholic Divine Liturgy, I heartily recommend it to everyone! It was truly incense without nonsense, and a true blessing!


96 posted on 11/08/2004 9:42:22 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (tired of shucking and jiving)
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