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Latinos Support Kerry By Wide Margin (67.4%)
William C. Vazquez Institute ^ | 11/3/2004 | Michael Bustamante

Posted on 11/05/2004 7:00:19 AM PST by curiosity

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To: curiosity

But why would the figueres of this Institute be reliable. There is no evidence, is there, of any basis for their figure which is more reliable, and the impression one gets, without knowing too much about them, is that truth as we know it is a gringo concept that they can't be bothered with. One reason I am dubious about what this Institute says is that I don't see how Bush can have won as he did in the actual count if the 45% figure is not accurate.


21 posted on 11/05/2004 8:34:19 AM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: AmericanVictory

"One reason I am dubious about what this Institute says is that I don't see how Bush can have won as he did in the actual count if the 45% figure is not accurate."



Absolutely. Look at the results in Florida, Texas and New Mexico---there is no way that Bush would have done so well in heavily-Democrat counties without a big improvement among Hispanics. Exit polls showed Bush getting close to 60% of the Hispanic vote in Texas, and given the fact that he carried a lot of traditionally Democrat, and very Hispanic, counties such as Cameron (Brownsville), I think that must be correct.


22 posted on 11/05/2004 9:31:44 AM PST by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: curiosity

Have no respect for anything in the media. Not even FNC


23 posted on 11/05/2004 12:17:13 PM PST by OldFriend (PRAY FOR POWERS EQUAL TO THE TASKS)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

I think what we are seeing here is an unanalyzed result of hte interaction of Latino immigrants. Cubans were famous for their business acumen before Castro's dictatorship, but they have multiplied that acumen manyfold here in the U.S. Other Latinos look around at what Cuba has done here and it looks pretty good. Why listen to the demagogues who for centuries have said that they were going to improve things down south and have completely and repeatedly failed. Latin American people are not stupid and they are figuring it out. Cuba in the U.S. is the most succesful Latino country.


24 posted on 11/05/2004 12:56:15 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: AuH2ORepublican; AmericanVictory

The answer to that question is the fact that Bush boosted his share of the white vote from 54% to 58%. It was Bush's poor showing with whites (for a winning Republican) that nearly did him in last time, and it was his improvement with them this time that was most responsible for his winning 52% of the popular vote.

Dick Morris says latinos made up 12% of the electorate this time, but the exit polls I've seen puts it at 8%. So lets' just split that and say its 10. Whites made up about 77%. Simple math says a 4 point boost with nearly 80% of the electorate is a bigger overall deal than a ten or eleven point boost with 10% of the electorate.

Now, you are not going to hear this mentioned in the MSM. Apparently the GOP is not supposed to try and boost its share of the white vote, or brag about it when they do as they can with any other ethnic group, and as Democrats can do with all groups including whites.

As to the specific states:

Texas: Bush won over 70% of the white vote. That was the primary reason for his and the GOP's dominance in that state. Now if he did in fact win the Hispanic vote there then that's great, but it wasn't key to him winning there.

Arizona, New Mexico, Florida: I don't have the demographic breakdowns of those states. I'm sure improved performance with Hispanics helped in each state, but again any increase in the white vote in those states would be significantly more important than an eqivalent gain with Hispanics.

Now of course as the nation becomes less white, and more Hispanic (though that itself is dependent upon current demographic trends and public policies continuing, so its not like its some irresistible force of nature), then winning more of the Hispanic vote will become more and more important, but the fact is that Bush's improved performance with whites was a bigger deal this time than his boost among latinos.


And of course we are basing this all on exit polls, and who knows how reliable they really were.


25 posted on 11/05/2004 2:16:09 PM PST by Aetius
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To: Laserman
This is BS. Republicans garnered over 40% of hispanic votes (closer to 45%).

I heard it was 44%. A big improvement over 2000.

26 posted on 11/05/2004 2:37:24 PM PST by Jorge
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To: AmericanVictory
You're right. I don't know which figures are more reliable. I'm just saying that we shouldn't accept the media exit polls at face value because 1) they were way off in predicting the election and 2) there's another poll that contradicts them and it's unlcear which is more accurate.
27 posted on 11/05/2004 3:11:26 PM PST by curiosity
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To: Jorge
I heard it was 44%. A big improvement over 2000.

That was according to the media exit polls that were inaccurate in many other respects. Perhaps they got the Hispanic vote share right, but that's questionable given everything else they got wrong. There is, of course, no basis to say that this exit poll is better than the media exit polls. But there's no basis to say it's worse.

I'm only posting this to make the point that we really don't know whether Bush did better or worse with Latinos. There's some evidence that says he did better, and there's some evidence that says he did worse, and there's really no way of telling which is true.

28 posted on 11/05/2004 3:15:19 PM PST by curiosity
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To: AuH2ORepublican
Republicans always did well among among Hispanics in Texas and Florida. I'm not sure about New Mexico, but he most certainly increased his share of the white vote, so that could account for his victory there.

It's possible that the media exit polls are right about him getting 45% of Latinos, but the validity of those polls is highly questionable given their inability to predict the election. I also agree that this poll is suspect, but there's nothing I see that gives me any reason to doubt this poll more than the media polls.

29 posted on 11/05/2004 3:18:33 PM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity

"It's possible that the media exit polls are right about him getting 45% of Latinos, but the validity of those polls is highly questionable given their inability to predict the election."



I agree that the exit polls are highly questionable, but given the fact that their bias was consistently in favor of Kerry, not in favor of the President, if anything the bad exit polls would be understating Bush's share of the Hispanic vote.


30 posted on 11/05/2004 4:37:50 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: xusafflyer

"The inland empire latinos are nowhere near as blue as their urban counterparts."



Absolutely. For example, Bush got 45% in Imperial County, which is over 70% Hispanic (although, of course, the Hispanic share of the electorate is much lower). And in the Central Valley, Hispanics are even more conservative.


31 posted on 11/05/2004 4:41:11 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: Aetius

" Bush's improved performance with whites was a bigger deal this time than his boost among latinos. "

Nice post.


32 posted on 11/06/2004 10:38:14 AM PST by AuntB (Most provisional ballots are from voters not eligible to vote!!! Ask a poll worker!)
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