Posted on 11/03/2004 8:24:39 AM PST by Always Right
My history books said the south lost the Civil War, but apparently that was just a battle. The south lost the battle of 1861-1865, but now are winning the war.
Excuse the map, I could not find one that had all the states colored in.
I did not. But since Bush took 62% of the vote in my state then that wasn't an issue. I do have a very conservative senator in Sam Brownback who I was proud to vote for in his reelection run. And I tried to replace my Democrat congressman with a conservative Republican but that didn't happen. The Kansas Legislature is trending more conservative, thanks in part to my vote. And I voted against a bi-state tax. So you see I do try to vote for conservative, Reagan Republican issues and candidates. But unfortunately one wasn't running for President this year.
The bottom one looks more like how the Texicans might see it.
The quote in context would be nice. But if you want to equate Mao with Davis as both leaders of rebellions then that's OK too.
The Democrat Party was founded by Thomas Jefferson. It is the party of Jefferson. It's philosophy must be, "The government which governs least, governs best." (Personally, I have my doubts.)
After all this time, the Republican Party is the party of Lincoln in much the same manner as the Democrat Party is the party of Jefferson.
I would say George Bush is just as conservative as Reagan.
He is trying to fight a WAR.............
BUMP
No. I have not even alluded to anything homosexual, but it seems to infect your brain.
If Jeff Davis were alive today, he wouldn't BE a Democrat.
BUMP
No maybe to it.....:)
No, considering his actions in the confederacy he would either be a big government southern Republican or a Socialist. I'm not sure which.
And that Prescription Drug entitlement and the pork-barrel Agriculture and Transportation bills that he supported are just the tools he needs to whip the Taliban.
I would say George Bush is just as conservative as Reagan.
Reagan would have never supported massive increases in government like Bush has. He'd never agree with trashing states rights through marriage amendments and tort reform like Bush does.
http://www.chinasite.com/Content/ZhuRongji_US9904/DC0408PM.html
WASHINGTON, Apr. 09, 1999 -- (Reuters) Chinese Prime Minister Zhu Rongji (pictured) tried to talk, and talk, and talk his way into the hearts of the American people on Thursday.A joint news conference with Zhu and President Bill Clinton went on so long that Clinton looked in mock horror at his wristwatch after opening statements and answers to only six questions consumed 90 minutes.
A lot of time was taken up by translations of the questions and answers into English and Chinese. But minutes also ticked away during Zhu's long, windy answers, which were sprinkled with wisecracks.
"From the moment since I set foot on the American soil, which started from Los Angeles -- when maybe God did not welcome me very much, for it rained very hard -- but it appears to me that the American people like me," Zhu related at the beginning of the press conference.
Zhu at age 70 is an established politician with a ready smile, an easy manner and, perhaps, hair a little too dark to be natural for a man his age. Yet he claimed to have butterflies because of his joint appearance with Clinton.
"Today is my first time to experience such a press conference -- so my heart is now beating. I'm not that experienced, so should I say something which is not appropriate very much, I do hope that you will exercise certain leniency," he advised the chuckling reporters.
Those butterflies did not translate into reticence. He did not hold back when the first questioner asked him why he came given the strains in U.S.-Chinese ties.
"What are your real thoughts?" he was asked.
"To tell you the truth, I was really reluctant to come," Zhu confided. He had told members of Congress who came to see him before his trip that he did not have the fire in his belly.
"I said to them, as the current political atmosphere in the United States is so anti-China, I really lack the guts to pay the visit to the United States at present. And they told me that 'you should go, we welcome you, because we Americans like your new face,'" Zhu said.
From there, he went on at length. Clinton, himself no stranger to loquaciousness, could only stand by and marvel.
But in his happy way, Zhu gave no ground and got in a few zingers.
In insisting that China will not renounce the use of force someday against breakaway province Taiwan, Zhu said he had seen a portrait of President Abraham Lincoln in the White House, which reminded him of the U.S. civil war.
"So I think Abraham Lincoln, president, is a model, is an example," he said.
Here is an answer to Noni! The homosexuals think he was gay.....they would probably know.
Was Abe Lincoln Gay?
The blockbuster book that will change America’s history
by Doug Ireland
The loving heart of the Great Emancipator found its natural amorous passions overwhelmingly directed toward those of his own sex. A forthcoming book by the late Dr. C.A. Tripp — The Intimate World of Abraham Lincoln, to be published in the new year by Free Press — makes a powerful case that Lincoln was a lover of men.
Tripp, who worked closely in the 1940s and 1950s with the groundbreaking sexologist Alfred Kinsey, was a clinical psychologist, university professor and author of the 1975 best-seller The Homosexual Matrix, which helped transcend outdated Freudian clichés and establish that a same-sex affectional and sexual orientation is a normal and natural occurrence.
In his book on Lincoln, Tripp draws on his years with Kinsey, who, he wrote, "confronted the problem of classifying mixed sex patterns by devising his 0-to-6 scale, which allows the ranking of any homosexual component in a person’s life from none to entirely homosexual. By this measure Lincoln qualifies as a classical 5 — predominantly homosexual, but incidentally heterosexual."
Tripp also found, based on multiple historical accounts, that Lincoln attained puberty unusually early, by the age of 9 or 10 — early sexualization being a prime Kinsey indicator for same-sex proclivities. Even Lincoln’s stepmother admitted in a post-assassination interview that young Abe "never took much interest in the girls." And Tripp buttresses his findings that Lincoln was a same-sex lover with important new historical contributions.
Others, preceding Tripp, have proclaimed in print that Lincoln was gay. The first, some four decades ago, was the pioneer Los Angeles gay activist Jim Kepner, editor of ONE, the early gay magazine (the ONE Institute National Gay and Lesbian Archives at the University of Southern California [http://www.oneinstitute.org/] is the largest collection of gay historical material in the world). Kepner focused on Lincoln’s long-acknowledged intimate friendship with Joshua Speed — with whom Lincoln slept in the same bed for four years when both men were in their 20s — as did later writers, like the historian of gay America Jonathan Ned Katz and University of Massachusetts professor Charles Shively. Gore Vidal has said in interviews that, in researching his historical novel on Lincoln, he began to suspect that the 16th president was a same-sexer. But all this has been little noticed or circulated outside the gay community.
In 1990, the American Historical Association presented a panel on "Gay American Presidents? — Washington, Buchanan, Lincoln, Garfield." Tripp was in the audience, and was seized with the desire to explore Lincoln’s sexuality and emotional complexity with the same brand of scrupulous methodology he’d learned from Kinsey. Tripp devoted the next decade to this research, and created an electronic database and index cross-referencing for more than 600 books of Lincolnalia, a historical tool now available at the Lincoln Institute in Springfield, Illinois.
One of the few traditional Lincolnists to describe (however obliquely) the lifelong Lincoln-Speed relationship as homosexual was the Illinois poet Carl Sandburg, in his masterful, six-volume Lincoln biography. In the tome titled The Prairie Years (1926), Sandburg wrote that both Lincoln and Speed had "a streak of lavender, and spots soft as May violets." "I do not feel my own sorrows more keenly than I do yours," Lincoln wrote Speed in one letter. And again, "You know my desire to befriend you is everlasting." In a detailed retelling of the Lincoln-Speed love story — including the "lust at first sight" encounter between the two young men, when Lincoln readily accepted Speed’s eager invitation to share his narrow bed — Tripp notes that Speed was the only human being to whom the president ever signed his letters with the unusually tender (for Lincoln) "yours forever" — a salutation Lincoln never even used to his wife. Speed himself acknowledged that "No two men were ever so intimate." And Tripp credibly describes Lincoln’s near nervous breakdown following Speed’s decision to end their four-year affair by returning to his native Kentucky.
In the preface to his massive biography, Sandburg wrote that "month by month in stacks and bundles of facts and legend, I found invisible companionships that surprised me. Perhaps a few of these presences lurk and murmur in this book." Tripp’s book is remarkable and precedent-shattering because, for the first time, he restores names and faces (more than just Speed’s) to a number of those previously invisible homosexual companions and love objects of the most venerated of America’s presidents, among them, Henry C. Whitney; the young Billy Greene, a Salem contemporary of Lincoln’s and another bedmate (who admired Lincoln’s thighs); Nat Grigsby; and A.Y. Ellis.
One of them was the handsome David Derickson, by nine years the president’s junior, captain of Lincoln’s bodyguard Company K, the unit assigned to ensure Lincoln’s protection in September 1862. Citing a variety of sources — including an autobiographical essay by Captain (later Major) Derickson, Lincoln’s letters, contemporary diaries and historical accounts written while many of the witnesses to the Derickson-Lincoln relationship were still living — Tripp describes in great detail how Derickson was the object of "the kinds of gentle and concentrated high-focus attention from Lincoln that [Lincoln’s law colleague] Henry C. Whitney, from having himself once been on the receiving end, well described: ‘[It was] as if he wooed me to close intimacy and friendship, a kind of courtship, as indeed it was.’"
Lincoln’s seduction of Derickson was more than successful. Tripp discovered a forgotten volume of Union Army history, an account of The Pennsylvania Volunteers, Second Regiment, Bucktail Brigade, published in 1895 by Derickson’s commander, Lieutenant Colonel Thomas Chamberlin, who was historian of the Bucktail Survivors Association, and in which he recounted:
"Captain Derickson, in particular, advanced so far in the President’s confidence and esteem that in Mrs. Lincoln’s absence he frequently spent the night at his cottage [at the summer White House], sleeping in the same bed with him, and — it is said — making use of his Excellency’s night-shirt! Thus began an intimacy that continued unbroken until the following spring, when Captain Derickson was appointed provost marshal of the Nineteenth Pennsylvania District, with headquarters in Meadville."
The Derickson-Lincoln affair was common gossip in Washington’s high society, as Tripp notes with a citation from the diary of the wife of Assistant Navy Secretary Gustavus Fox: "Tish says, Oh, there is a Bucktail soldier here devoted to the president, drives with him, and when Mrs. L is not home, sleeps with him. What stuff!"
Lincoln was very fond of witty, and quite often ribald, stories, a great many of them having anal references. When a friend once suggested that he should collect his stories and publish them in book form, Lincoln replied that he could not, for "such a book would Stink like a thousand privies."
Another Tripp rediscovery is a smutty, humorous poem written by Lincoln when he was a teenager — in which the future president describes a marriage between two boys! Here (with some of the spelling corrected for easier reading) is Lincoln’s gay-marriage poem:
I will tell you a Joke about Jewel and Mary
It is neither a Joke nor a Story
For Rubin and Charles has married two girls
But Billy has married a boy
The girlies he had tried on every Side
But none could he get to agree
All was in vain he went home again
And since that is married to Natty
So Billy and Natty agreed very well
And mama’s well pleased at the match
The egg it is laid but Natty’s afraid
The Shell is So Soft that it never will hatch
But Betsy she said you Cursed bald head
My Suitor you never Can be
Beside your low crotch [slang for big penis] proclaims you a botch
And that never Can serve for me
Tripp notes that the stanza beginning "The egg it is laid" suggests that "Abe was well aware of the term ‘jelly baby.’ Originally from Negro vernacular, the phrase soon came to be used by whites as well: slang denoting what uneducated folk imagined . . . as a ‘pregnancy’ from homosexual intercourse . . . As a poem, Lincoln’s rhyme of course is a mere trifle, except that it is perhaps the most explicit literary reference to actual homosexual relations in 19th-century America — more explicit certainly than anything Walt Whitman ever wrote about the ‘Love of comrades.’"
There is a great deal more to this book, which — as Lincoln scholar Jean Baker notes in her admiring preface — "is not a work of sexual or biological reductionism, but rather a significant effort to understand a complicated man." Among the many invaluable contributions is the chapter revealing that Lincoln’s supposed tragic "romance" with Ann Rutledge — often hyped by Hollywood retelling — was a myth invented after Lincoln’s death (this chapter is for the most part due to the research of Tripp’s faithful collaborator on the Lincoln project, the writer Lewis Gannett, who edited the book for publication). Many of Tripp’s findings come from finely argued circumstantial deductions — which will no doubt be seized upon by what Vidal has called the "scholar squirrels" of the considerable Lincoln industry, who have a lot of skin in the game. But it will take more than their usual regurgitations of the cliché about the absence of central heating back in those days to explain Lincoln’s consistent, yearslong choice of male bed partners, a same-sex affinity that he acted on even as president.
Tripp completed The Intimate World of Abraham Lincoln just two weeks before his own death. It is a tragedy that tawdry squabbles between the aging and irascible executor of Tripp’s estate and his publisher prevented the book’s publication before this year’s elections (it is now due out, after yet another postponement, in March). That is why, when — after assiduous and clandestine effort — we managed to obtain a copy of the book’s uncorrected proofs, we decided to break with book-chat conventions and, without authorization, make some of Tripp’s findings public here before November 2.
oug Ireland can be reached through his blog, DIRELAND
Since when did a Lincoln-loving, Yank like yourself ever give a hoot about states-rights?! Remember, according to yourself and the rest of the "Brigade" states don't HAVE any rights!
Definition #1 does a little bit more than allow it.
capture: 1. to take by force or stratagem;
What exactly is the strategy for taking an abandoned fort? Did secret orders fall into the hands of the cacti, allowing them to put up a mean fight?
As far as you being in a 'red' part of CA, you told me where you lived when I posted from LALA land that we could meet for a beer... Since I don't know exactly where you're at, I'll just point out that the area is pretty blue on the county-by-county map. Maybe you have a household-by-household map in which your residence is painted red. So be it. My county was blue. I live in the second largest city in IA. The color of my county does not matter, except for demonstration purposes and general interest. My state was red (for once). Were it not, I don't see how that would reflect on me personally.
The case of Lemmon was not the first or most eggregious of your transgressions. The deception started in a response to lentulusgracchus, in which you quoted the prosecution's argument of the Amy Warwick as the decision. IIRC, you stated four points as the decision of the court. The findings of the court were the oppoisite in all four instances.
No retraction was made.
No apology was offered.
In fact, you continued to hammer on it as though nobody had pointed out your error.
Am I remembering things as they actually happened, or was that just a bad dream?
You're a day late and a dollar short yet again.
On the contrary, I've been a strong supporter of states rights. All the states. Where we disagree is that all y'all think that in 1860 only the southern states had rights. Come to think of it, that hasn't changed much in the last 140 years, has it?
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