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FULL TAPE AN OSAMA A WOE SHOW
New York Post ^ | 10/31/04 | Niles Lathem

Posted on 10/31/2004 12:51:01 AM PDT by conservative in nyc

Osama bin Laden doesn't seem nearly so cocky in the unedited version of a videotape aired on al-Jazeera, complaining that the manhunt against him has hampered al Qaeda. Osama bin Laden's newest tape may have thrust him to the forefront of the presidential election, but what was not seen was the cave-dwelling terror lord talking about the setbacks al Qaeda has faced in recent months.

Officials said that in the 18-minute long tape — of which only six minutes were aired on the al-Jazeera Arab television network in the Middle East on Friday — bin Laden bemoans the recent democratic elections in Afghanistan and the lack of violence involved with it.

On the tape, bin Laden also says his terror organization has been hurt by the U.S. military's unrelenting manhunt for him and his cohorts on the Afghan-Pakistani border.

A portion of the left-out footage includes a tirade aimed at President Bush and his father, former President George H.W. Bush, claiming the war in Iraq is purely over oil.

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Many believe that the ringleader of any possible attack is Adnan Shukriagumah, a 28-year-old Saudi-born Guyanese man who grew up in South Florida.

A $5 million reward has been offered for Shukriagumah, who has bomb- making skills, is trained to fly commercial jets and has been linked to Sept. 11 ringleader, Mohamed Atta.

Intelligence reports say Shukriagumah has hooked up with the El Salvadorian street gang, MS-13, which is known to be very adept at smuggling drugs and people into the United States. With Post Wire Services

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: binladen; bush; california; election2004; elsalvador; losangeles; marasalvatrucha; ms13; obltape; osama; osamatape; rampart; shukriagumah; shukrijumah; streetgang; x41
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Sounds like Osama was parrotting even more Michael Moore talking points.
1 posted on 10/31/2004 12:51:01 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc

Is it any wonder why Al-Jazeera only released the portion they did then? If this is true and that the other portions of the tape include Osama admitting Bush's policies have been successful against his network and expressing frustration over his inability to do his evil work, then of course that would help Bush even more than it already does and hurt the image of Bin Laden even more so than the released version already did -- which of course Al-Jazeera doesn't want.

Let's hope the full version and transcript are released soon.


2 posted on 10/31/2004 12:55:31 AM PDT by gline
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To: conservative in nyc
On the tape, bin Laden also says his terror organization has been hurt by the U.S. military's unrelenting manhunt for him and his cohorts on the Afghan-Pakistani border

and how is that going to hurt Bush?

3 posted on 10/31/2004 12:56:38 AM PDT by GeronL (FREE KERRY'S SCARY bumper sticker .......... http://www.kerrysscary.com/bumper_sticker.php)
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To: gline

the MSM wont release it if they think it is going to help Bush.


4 posted on 10/31/2004 12:57:23 AM PDT by boxerblues (www.ohbluestarmothers.org)
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To: conservative in nyc
On the tape, bin Laden also says his terror organization has been hurt by the U.S. military's unrelenting manhunt for him and his cohorts on the Afghan-Pakistani border.

Bin Laden's statement makes Kerry's claim that Bush dropped the ball on the War on Terror by going into Iraq sound silly.
5 posted on 10/31/2004 12:58:18 AM PDT by igoramus987
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To: conservative in nyc

I heard OBL is living in Tommy Dasshole's SD residence...oh, that's right, Tommy got that $288 tax break by MOVING HIS RESIDENCE TO D.C.! OBL and Tommy are sharing a condo somewhere, I'm convinced of it...


6 posted on 10/31/2004 12:59:08 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a veil for MASS MURDERS. Save your time...)
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To: conservative in nyc

BTTT


7 posted on 10/31/2004 12:59:48 AM PDT by spodefly (I've posted nothing but BTTT over 1000 times!!!)
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To: gline

Karl Rove is an absolute genius! And Walter Cronkite is no dummie either.


8 posted on 10/31/2004 1:02:24 AM PDT by sdcraigo (Kerry's plan is that he has a plan...)
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To: conservative in nyc

10 OUT OF 10 TERRORISTS AGREE ON KERRY FOR PRESIDENT.


9 posted on 10/31/2004 1:07:56 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: sdcraigo
Karl Rove is an absolute genius! And Walter Cronkite is no dummie either.

LOL. And to think Rove and OBL filmed the video, and no animals were harmed in the filming of the project.

Walter is proud.

10 posted on 10/31/2004 1:08:01 AM PDT by beyond the sea (ab9usa4uandme)
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To: boxerblues

Well of course that's a given. But if Fox were to get a hold of it and go forward with it, the other media might find the story hard to ignore (Osama admitted Bush's policies have been effective).


11 posted on 10/31/2004 1:14:31 AM PDT by gline
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To: conservative in nyc

Where do we get a complete transcript??


12 posted on 10/31/2004 1:17:04 AM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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This is red hot, IMO. It takes the winds out of Kerry's hypocritical "take the eye off the ball" comment:

On the tape, bin Laden also says his terror organization has been hurt by the U.S. military's unrelenting manhunt for him and his cohorts on the Afghan-Pakistani border.

Then there's this:

bin Laden bemoans the recent democratic elections in Afghanistan and the lack of violence involved with it.

Come on, that's absolutely devasting! Forward this story to as many news organizations, talk show hosts, etc. This really, really needs broad coverage. I've forwarded it to a few I could think of, but I'm sure I've missed a lot of the important ones.
13 posted on 10/31/2004 1:20:13 AM PDT by Democracy In Iraq
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To: conservative in nyc

Well, how very interesting! The MSM, and that includes Al-Jazeera, edit out parts of the OBL tape that show we are winning the WOT. Bias, what bias?


14 posted on 10/31/2004 1:21:04 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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People need to see this for themself. How Bush is making headway against al Qaeda.


15 posted on 10/31/2004 1:24:49 AM PDT by xuberalles
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To: conservative in nyc

"It's not fair! It's not fair! Please elect Kerry so I can return to my former glory!"


16 posted on 10/31/2004 1:26:06 AM PDT by Rastus (Forget it, Moby! I'm voting for Bush!)
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To: conservative in nyc
Speaking of el Shukrijumah : TIMELINE : ELSHUKRIJUMAH, PADILLA, GUYANA, TRINIDAD & TOBAGO, VENEZUELA, MARGARITA ISLAND- a wee bit down on this Clinton thread
17 posted on 10/31/2004 1:26:58 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: ApesForEvolution

I have a strictly TIN FOIL HAT theory. Was John Kerry talking of Tora Bora over and over? It was such a weak point. Surprise when OBL shows up, we have weeks from the debate to remember, "Johnny would have gotten Him." I think Kerry KNEW that OBL would come out. But then again I also think he had a cheat sheet in his right hand while he pulled a pen out of his pocket with his left hand, and that the hoolabaloo over Bush's back ceramic knife guard tile is to cover this up. Call me crazy but I think he knew about OBL and Al Qaqaa were both coming and that the proof is in his debate performances when he pre "crowed" about both things.


18 posted on 10/31/2004 4:28:03 AM PST by TurtleStink
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To: conservative in nyc
Select important details in bold is my doing.

A SOUTH AMERICAN IMPORT by Investigator Al Valdez, Orange County District Attorney's Office

Street gangs form for a variety of reasons. The United States has experienced the growth of many types of street and prison gangs within the last 20 years. During this time period, influxes of legal and illegal refugees into the United States have had a documented effect on the formation of new street gangs.

In the early 1980s, a violent civil war began in El Salvador which would last more than 12 years. Approximately 100,000 people were killed in the war, and more than one million people fled from El Salvador to the U.S. The Salvadorian refugees and immigrants initially settled primarily in southern California and Washington, D.C.. Some of the refugees and immigrants had ties with La Mara, a violent street gang from El Salvador. Others had been members of paramilitary groups like the Farabundo Marti National Liberation Front (FMNL) during the civil war. FMNL was made up of Salvadorian peasants who were trained as guerilla fighters. Many were adept at using explosives, firearms, and booby traps.

Most of the Salvadorian refugees settled in the established Hispanic neighborhoods of the "Rampart" area of Los Angeles. However, Salvadorians were not readily accepted into the Los Angeles Hispanic community, and were frequently targeted by local Hispanic gangs. As a result, in the late 1980s, some refugees and refugee members of La Mara and FMNL formed what is now known as the Mara Salvatrucha (MS) street gang in Los Angeles. Like many other street gangs, MS initially formed for protection, but quickly developed a reputation for being organized and extremely violent. MS membership continues to be fed by refugees from groups like FMNL.

Since its inception in California and Washington, DC, Mara Salvatrucha has expanded into Oregon, Alaska, Texas, Nevada, Utah, Oklahoma, Illinois, Michigan, New York, Maryland, Virginia, Georgia, Florida, Canada, and Mexico. MS is unique in that, unlike traditional U.S. street gangs, it maintains active ties with MS members and factions in El Salvador. Mara Salvatrucha is truly an international gang.

Mara Salvatrucha gang members maintain contact between groups in the United States and El Salvador for several specific reasons. In El Salvador, a hand grenade sells for $1.00-$2.00 U.S. currency and an M-16 rifle will sell for approximately $200.00-$220.00 U.S. dollars. This communication and alliance provides a mechanism for MS gang members to access military-style munitions and also establishes a network to traffic illegal firearms into the United States.

Although military weapons seem to be readily available to this gang, street intelligence indicates they often have difficulty obtaining handguns, which are not readily available in El Salvador. This creates a demand for small arms by MS members in the U.S. and El Salvador. This demand is so high that MS members will often take handguns as payment for drug transactions. The guns are then sent back to El Salvador, or used in the United States.

MS is also involved in exporting stolen U.S. cars to South America. The cars are often traded for drugs when dealing with cartels. It is estimated that 80% of the cars driven in El Salvador were stolen in the United States. Car theft is a lucrative business for MS.

The Mara Salvatrucha gang is involved in a variety of criminal enterprises. As with members of other gangs, MS members seem willing to commit almost any crime, but MS gang members tend to have a higher level of criminal involvement than other gang members. MS members have been involved in burglaries, auto thefts, narcotic sales, home invasion robberies, weapons smuggling, car jacking, extortion, murder, rape, witness intimidation, illegal firearm sales, car theft and aggravated assaults. In terms of drug trafficking activities, common drugs sold by MS members include cocaine, marijuana, heroin, and methamphetamine. Mara Salvatrucha gang members have even placed a “tax” on prostitutes and non-gang member drug dealers who are working in MS "turf." Failure to pay up will most likely result in violence.

Originally, only Salvadorians could become members of Mara Salvatrucha. However, MS now includes members from Ecuador, Guatemala, Honduras, and Mexico. Mara Salvatrucha also has a few African-American members. MS has broken the race barrier for membership, but most new members are still selected because of their ethnic (Central American) background. The majority of MS gang members are between the ages of 11 and 40 years old.

Mara Salvatrucha members identify themselves with tattoos such as the number “13," or trece in Spanish. MS gang members will also use the Spanish word sureno, meaning "southerner" to identify themselves. Sometimes sureno is abbreviated to SUR. These terms make reference to the fact that MS gang members like to claim they are from southern California as opposed to northern California, and are rivals with northern California gangs. Often, this rivalry is taken outside the state of California. Additionally, Mara Salvatrucha gang members have several ongoing rivalries with large southern California gangs, including the 18th Street gang, and in California, commonly attack 18th Street gang members on sight. There are many Hispanic gangs, including MS, which use the number “13," and the terms sureno and SUR as identifiers, including street/prison gangs outside of California. Thus, it is important to identify specific tattoos used by the Mara Salvatrucha gang, which include “M” or “MS,” in addition to the 13 or SUR identification. Another common tattoo seen is “Salvadorian Pride.” There is also a good chance that the member will also have the name of his particular clique tattooed on his/her body. Other tattoos encountered with MS members have included pentagrams and other occult symbols. These can be confusing when found in conjunction with gang tattoos and can cause misconceptions of Satanic involvement by the gang. The most common hand sign used by MS members is the letter M formed by using three fingers and pointing the hand downward. This handsign can resemble the pitchfork sign used by Folk/People Nation gangs from the Midwest, and can be made with the fingers pointing up or down. The symbols used as tattoos are also used in graffiti and personal writings.

In general, Mara Salvatrucha members show no fear of law enforcement. They are not easily intimidated and frequently act defiantly. Mara Salvaltrucha gang members have been responsible for the execution of three federal agents and numerous shootings of law enforcement officers across the country. MS gang members have been known to booby-trap their drug stash houses using antipersonnel grenades on the assumption that these structures will be searched by law enforcement. MS members at one time often bragged of assaulting law enforcement officers as a means of showing their loyalty and commitment to the gang. However, these claims have never been confirmed. Today, assaults on law enforcement officers are not required for membership, but are always an option. Thus, officers dealing with MS members (or any street gang members, for that matter) should always use extreme caution.

Law enforcement and the courts have used two primary methods to deal with criminal activity by MS: arrest/incarceration and deportation. Between April 1994 and August 1995, the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) arrested and deported more than 100 MS gang members to El Salvador. Many Mara Salvatrucha gang members are currently in the United States illegally and are concerned about deportation. If a gang member is deported to El Salvador, there is a chance they will be targeted by the Sombra Negra (Black Shadow) death squad. Sombra Negra and similar groups are legendary in Central America. Gangsters and citizens alike believe that the Sombra Negra is made up of rogue cops and military personnel who target unwanted criminals and gang members for vigilante "justice." While the presence of these death squads is officially denied by the governments of Central American countries, many MS members in the U.S. believe these groups exist, and fear that they will be targeted after being deported. Honduran MS gang members have the same fear. Sombra Negra has claimed responsibility for the deaths of several MS gang members in El Salvador. The existence or belief in the existence of these death squads could also be a chief motivation for hardcore MS gang members to come to the United States.

Al Valdez is currently employed as a District Attorney Investigator for Orange County, California. Valdez has a total of 21 years of experience with a special emphasis on narcotic and gang investigations and prosecutions. Currently, he is assigned to the North County T.A.R.G.E.T. (Tri-Agency Resource Gang Enforcement Team) Gang Unit for Orange County.

Copyright © 2000 Al Valdez. All Rights Reserved.

19 posted on 10/31/2004 4:38:17 AM PST by newzjunkey (Keep crime down: NO on CA Prop 66. Pray for America and Vote BUSH!)
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To: piasa
The info is located at post 16.
20 posted on 10/31/2004 4:45:54 AM PST by realpatriot (Some spelling errors may have been intentionally included)
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