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Drudge now reporting Iraq depot story was shopped to CBS' 60 minutes before reported by NYT
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Posted on 10/25/2004 11:33:01 PM PDT by picturefan

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX MON OCT 25 2004 22:45:05 ET XXXXX

NBCNEWS: CACHE OF EXPLOSIVES VANISHED FROM SITE IN IRAQ BEFORE TROOPS ARRIVED...

The NYTIMES urgently reported on Monday in an apprent October Surprise: The Iraqi interim government and the U.N. nuclear agency have warned the United States that nearly 380 tons of powerful conventional explosives are now missing from one of Iraq's most sensitive former military installations.

[The source behind the NYT story first went to CBSNEWS' 60 MINUTES last Wednesday, but the beleaguered network wasn't able to get the piece on the air as fast as the newspaper could print. Executive producer Jeff Fager hoped to break the story during a high-impact election eve broadcast of 60 MINS on October 31.]


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To: JudyinCanada

So, this was reported on NBC News, but none of the media are acknowledging it including NBC's own MSNBC? Huh?

-T


201 posted on 10/26/2004 5:04:27 AM PDT by timbuck2 ("The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedients, and by parts." -Edmund Burke)
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To: Eva

'Well the Swifties have an October Surprise ready for tomorrow. It's on WND, now. They have documents that show direct coordination between Kerry and the North Vietnamese.'???


202 posted on 10/26/2004 5:05:52 AM PDT by bitt (F'n, Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?)
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To: timbuck2

Good question. I have heard nothing on my Buffalo station.

Has there been anything in the MSM this morning at all?

I certainly heard it reported yesterday, when it looked like a slam against the president.

Inquiring minds want to know.


203 posted on 10/26/2004 5:09:12 AM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: Howlin

This is an old story. I am going to go with a hunch and say John Loftus or Paul Alexander lead them to this story.


204 posted on 10/26/2004 5:09:55 AM PDT by mware
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To: bitt

I'm afraid that it isn't very well presented, here. The title needs to be much more dramatic, "Is Kerry a Traitor? Proof that Kerry collaborated with the enemy during the Vietnam War has been uncovered." But here it is:

Discovered papers:
Hanoi directed Kerry
Recovered Vietnam documents
'smoking gun' researchers claim





Posted: October 26, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Art Moore
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

The first documentary evidence that Vietnamese communists were directly steering John Kerry's antiwar group Vietnam Veterans Against the War has been discovered in a U.S. archive, according to a researcher who spoke with WorldNetDaily.


John Kerry testifying before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971.

One freshly unearthed document, captured by the U.S. from Vietnamese communists in 1971 and later translated, indicates the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese delegations to the Paris peace talks that year were used as the communications link to direct the activities of Kerry and other antiwar activists who attended.

Kerry insists he attended the talks only because he happened to be in France on his honeymoon and maintains he met with both sides. But previously revealed records indicate the future senator made two, and possibly three, trips to Paris to meet with Viet Cong leader Madame Nguyen Thi Binh then promote her plan's demand for U.S. surrender.

Jerome Corsi, a specialist on the Vietnam era, told WND the new discoveries are the "most remarkable documents I've seen in the entire history of the antiwar movement."

"We're not going to say he's an agent for Vietnamese communists, but it's the next thing to it," he said. "Whether he was consciously carrying out their direction or naively doing what they wanted, it amounted to the same thing -- he advanced their cause."

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Corsi, co-author of the Swift Boat Vets and POWs for Truth best-seller "Unfit for Command," and Scott Swett, who maintains the group's website, have posted a summary of the discovery on the website of Wintersoldier.com.

Corsi says the documents show how the North Vietnamese, the Viet Cong, the People's Coalition for Peace and Justice, the Communist Party of the USA and Kerry's VVAW worked closely together to achieve the Vietnamese communists' primary objective -- the defeat of the U.S. in Vietnam.

"I think what we've discovered is a smoking gun," Corsi said. "We knew when we wrote 'Unfit for Command' that Kerry had met with Madame Binh and then promoted her peace plan.

"This document enables us to connect the dots," he emphasized. "We now have evidence Madame Binh was directing the antiwar movement ... and the person who implemented her strategy was John Kerry."

July 22, 1971, Kerry called on President Nixon to accept the plan at a press conference in which he surrounded himself with the families of POWs, a strategy outlined in the first document.

The two documents also connect the dots between the Vietnamese communists and the radical U.S. group People's Coalition for Peace and Justice through the person of Al Hubbard, a coordinating member of PCPJ and the executive director of VVAW while Kerry was its national spokesman.

"Al Hubbard and John Kerry were carrying out the predetermined agenda of the enemy in a coordinated fashion," Corsi said. "It's a level of collaboration that exceeded anything we had imagined."

'Return the medals'

The second document, captured by U.S. military forces in South Vietnam May 12, 1972, urges Vietnamese officials to promote the antiwar activities in the United States.

Significantly, the fifth paragraph makes it clear the Vietnamese communists were using, for propaganda purposes, a protest described as taking place April 19-22, 1971.


Kerry led Vietnam veterans in 1971 medal-toss protest.

This coincides with the well-known "Dewey Canyon III" protest in Washington, D.C., highlighted by Kerry's Senate Foreign Relations testimony charging American soldiers with war crimes.

The document's description of the protest includes the "return the medals" event in which Kerry and other VVAW members threw their war decorations toward the steps of the Capitol.

Why now?

Corsi told WND the documents have been authenticated with "100 percent certainty."

But why were they unearthed now, just one week before the Nov. 2 election?

Corsi insisted the timing was unintentional.

"It's truly one of those accidents of how things develop in research," he said. "We did not spring any surprise, we just found these documents, and even the archivist didn't know they were there."

Swift Boat Vets and POWs for Truth dispatched two researchers to Texas Tech University's Vietnam-era archive in Lubbock, which has more than 2 million documents, and "see if there was anything there," Corsi said.

Many of the documents are in Vietnamese and have not been translated yet.

The documents were found in boxes containing documents from antiwar activities during 1971-72, but they also turned out to be posted in an Internet database, which enabled further verification.

First document

The first document is a "circular" outlining the Vietnamese regime's strategies to coordinate its propaganda effort with orchestration of U.S. antiwar group activities.


The spontaneous antiwar movements in the US have received assistance and guidance from the friendly ((VC/NVN)) delegations at the Paris Peace Talks.
The phrases in double parentheses were added by U.S. translators for clarification. "VC" refers to the Viet Cong, while "NVN" is the North Vietnamese government.

Corsi and Swett point out that FBI files show Kerry returned to Paris to meet with the North Vietnamese delegation in August 1971 and planned a third trip in November.

Corsi emphasizes that before the discovery of this document, he and other researchers had no direct evidence that Hanoi actually was directing the antiwar movement to implement the regime's goals, although they assumed it to be the case based on other indications.

In her meeting with Kerry in Paris, Madame Binh instructed him on how he and the VVAW could "serve as Hanoi's surrogates in the United States," Corsi and Swett say. This included advancement of her seven-point peace plan forcing President Nixon to set a date to end the war and withdraw troops.

Hanoi cleverly constructed the plan so that the only barrier to release of American POWs was Nixon's unwillingness to set a withdrawal date.

But as Corsi and Swett emphasize, the plan amounted to a virtual surrender that included payment of reparations and an admission the U.S. was the aggressor in an immoral war against the communists.

The circular underscores the impact of the peace plan on U.S. activists, saying:


"The seven-point peace proposal ((of the SVN Provisional Revolutionary Government)) not only solved problems concerning the release of US prisoners but also motivated the people of all walks of life and even relatives of US pilots detained in NVN to participate in the antiwar movement.
Another section of the circular, again highlighting the interconnectedness of the Vietnamese communists, the U.S. antiwar movement and politics in the U.S. and South Vietnam, says Nixon and South Vietnamese leader Thieu are "very embarrassed because the seven-point peace proposal is supported by the [South Vietnamese] people's (( political struggle)) movement and the antiwar movements in the US. "

Therefore, the circular says, "all local areas, units, and branches must widely disseminate the seven-point peace proposal, step up the people's ((political struggle)) movements both in cities and rural areas, taking advantage of disturbances and dissensions in the enemy's forthcoming (RVN) Congressional and Presidential elections. They must coordinate more successfully with the antiwar movements in the US so as to isolate the Nixon-Thieu clique."

Second document

In addition to tying activities surrounding Kerry's 1971 protest to the direction of Vietnamese communists, the second document reveals the degree to which Hanoi worked with and through the People's Coalition for Peace and Justice.


Of the U.S. antiwar movements, the two most important ones are: The PCPJ ((the People's Committee for Peace and Justice)) and the NPAC ((National Peace Action Committee)). These two movements have gathered much strength and staged many demonstrations. The PCPJ is the most important. It maintains relations with us.
Corsi and Swett note the House Internal Securities Committee in its 1971 Annual Report described the PCPJ as an organization strongly controlled by U.S. communists.


"There is no question but what members of the Communist Party have provided a very strong degree of influence, even a guiding influence, in the evolution and formation of policies of the People's Coalition for Peace and Justice."
Corsi cites recently released FBI surveillance reports that establish a strong link between Kerry, Hubbard, the VVAW, the PCPJ and their trips to Paris to meet with Madame Binh.

Kerry shared the stage with Hubbard, who recruited Kerry into the group, during the Dewey Canyon III protest, and they appeared together on NBC's Meet the Press April 18, 1971. Hubbard's claimed to have been a transport pilot wounded in combat, but the Department of Defense released documents showing he was neither a pilot nor an officer and had never served in Vietnam.

One FBI field surveillance report stamped Nov. 11, 1971, showed Kerry and Hubbard were planning to travel to Paris later that month to engage in talks with Vietnamese communist delegations. Other FBI reports clearly show the Communist Party of the USA was paying for Al Hubbard's trips to Paris, Corsi notes.

Another FBI report, dated Nov. 24, 1971, gives details of Hubbard's presentation to a VVAW meeting of the Executive and Steering committees in Kansas City, Mo., Nov. 12-15, 1971.

At that meeting, the VVAW considered and then rejected a plan to assassinate several pro-war U.S. Senators. Kerry is listed as present.

The FBI document shows communist coordination in Hubbard's trip to Paris.


[BLACK OUT] advised that Hubbard gave the following information regarding his Paris trip:
Two foreign groups, which are Democratic Republic of Vietnam (DRV) and Peoples Republic Government (PRG) (phonetic), invited representatives of the VVAW, Communist Party USA (CP USA), and a Left Wing group in Paris, to attend meeting of the above inviting groups in Paris. Hubbard advised he was elected to represent the VVAW. An unknown male was invited to represent the CP USA and an unknown individual was elected to represent the Left Wing group from Paris. He advised at the meeting that his trip was financed by CP USA.

Corsi and Swett cite an appeal letter written by Hubbard April 20, 1971, demonstrating the strong coordination between Vietnam Veterans Against the War and People's Coalition for Peace and Justice.

Addressed from the offices of the VVAW in Washington, D.C., the letter is an appeal to VVAW members to provide assistance to the PCPJ. It discusses several ways in which the two organizations have worked closely together:


This is an appeal for help for the Peoples Coalition for Peace and Justice. Over the past months the Peoples Coalition has supported the Vietnam Vets Against the War in many ways. The Coalition has made office space available at no charge, and permitted the use of all necessary office equipment such as mimeograph machines, stencil-making machines, folders and typewriters. They have loaned us cars, bullhorns, and public address equipment. Their staff has taken messages for us and joined fraternally in building our progress. Now we can return this support.
Saturday, April 24, the Coalition needs help collecting money and selling buttons at the great march and rally. Collectors and sellers must be energetic and determined. There will be security problems in taking large amounts of money to banks. The Coalition needs people power, hundreds of workers.

I earnestly hope that you will come forward to support our friends in this emergency.

Two days after Hubbard's letter was written, Kerry told Sen. William Fulbright's Foreign Relations Committee American military in Vietnam were committing war crimes in the manner of Genghis Khan.

The event referred to in the letter was PCPJ's massive April 24 demonstration in Washington that followed the VVAW's Dewey Canyon III protest.



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Drudge now reporting Iraq depot story was shopped to CBS' 60 minutes before reported by NYT ^

Posted by Eva to patriciamary
On News/Activism ^ 10/25/2004 11:38:04 PM PDT · 13 of 202 ^


Well the Swifties have an October Surprise ready for tomorrow. It's on WND, now. They have documents that show direct coordination between Kerry and the North Vietnamese.



205 posted on 10/26/2004 5:11:25 AM PDT by Eva
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To: BJClinton; picturefan
"I'm sure they'll try to "stay above it all" as they did with Rather. No reason for them to dirty their hands with this. "

You’re probably right. Big mistake.

If Rove wasn’t ready to jump all over an October surprise like this, we deserve to lose.

206 posted on 10/26/2004 5:15:02 AM PDT by elfman2
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To: OXENinFLA

E-mail from the Bush camp....



Dear OXEN,

Kerry's campaign is becoming desperate.

Everyday brings a new charge against the President and every charge is pulled right from the headlines of the New York Times. If you want to know how John Kerry will attack the President in the afternoon, just read the Times in the morning.

John Kerry will say anything he believes will help him politically, and today he is grasping at headlines to obscure his record of weakness and indecision in the War on Terror. These are the tactics of a candidate who has no message for the future and no positive record to run on.

The entire country of Iraq was a weapons stockpile. So far, 243,000 tons of weapons and explosives have been secured and destroyed. In addition, 163,000 tons of weapons and explosives have been secured and are awaiting destruction. All the Monday morning-quarterbacking and armchair-generaling in the world by John Kerry won't make up for the fact that he does not have a vision, a strategy or a plan to fight and win the War on Terror.

Saddam Hussein's government stored weapons in mosques, schools, hospitals and countless other locations throughout Iraq. Yet, John Kerry showed today that he still cannot decide whether Saddam Hussein was a threat or not. He claims the weapons our troops have secured and destroyed were not a threat, but any other weapons were.

You should prepare for more baseless attacks torn from the headlines in the coming days by John Kerry. You should also expect more desperate flailing by his campaign as more polls show President Bush on his way to re-election.

John Kerry is attempting to distract voters from the clear choice they face between President Bush's strong leadership to protect America and John Kerry's weak record of proposing reckless cuts to our defense and intelligence budgets.

They will not succeed.

Sincerely,

Ken Mehlman


207 posted on 10/26/2004 5:15:48 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: estrogen
Just because you've become a young man now

Keep your freedom for as long as you can now.

208 posted on 10/26/2004 5:15:48 AM PDT by federal
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To: timbuck2

I just heard Matt Lauer and Tim Russert talking about the missing explosives, and they didn't say a THING about it being gone before we got there. HOWEVER, I'd just turned to NBC after watching Fox and Friends, and they DID talk about it having been missing.

How bizarre!


209 posted on 10/26/2004 5:19:24 AM PDT by SueAngel (Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.)
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To: patriciamary
They better wise up before Kerry wins this election!Where in the hell is the RNC October surprise!!!!!!!!!!!

They shouldn't need one. If four years of President Bush's honorable character and strong leadership isn't enough to prove to the people they should vote for him, they're not going to change their minds at the last minute. He has had enormous crowds show up and wait hours at his campaign rallies while F'n has had mere fractions of those numbers. F'n had a larger crowd yesterday but the people weren't there to rally for him. They were there to dream of the past and party with Klinton like it was 9/10/01.

I don't need an OS from the RNC to keep the faith. FOUR MORE YEARS!

210 posted on 10/26/2004 5:19:49 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: picturefan
I sure hope Bush sticks this one up Kerry's ---

Kerry started shooting off his mouth and accusing the President of incompetence on fake information. Look who is now incompetent. Bush should be able to say Kerry doesn't think through what he is saying and doesn't know enough about what he is talking about. Nothing new -- but I sure hope Bush rams it home.

As for the NYTimes, make sure you never buy any product put out by this company again.
211 posted on 10/26/2004 5:21:20 AM PDT by snooker
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To: SueAngel

Fox and Friends talking about it already being gone while NBC didn't really looks political!


212 posted on 10/26/2004 5:21:22 AM PDT by SueAngel (Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.)
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To: L.N. Smithee
the Pajama People have got to ride on Viacom again

Note that Viacom is or has peddled their shares of Blockbuster recently. Maybe Blockbuster is a good target.

213 posted on 10/26/2004 5:22:06 AM PDT by alrea (Help wanted: Director of Homeland Security, New Jersey. Must be willing performer and cute.)
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To: TruthCanHurt
Why is DAN RATHER not fired? I think he should go to prison for the fraudulent and disgusting things he has done since that forged document story. There needs to be ACCOUNTABILITY in the media.

IMHO, there needs to be ACCOUNTABILITY in more than the media.

Sandy Berger is still walking the streets.

Clinton has still not returned the silverware.

The 1700 voters who were double registered in both NY and FL, and voted both places, in 2000 have still not been charged.

And, I would bet that the gent from Ohio who was selling voter registrations for crack won't pay a penny in fines or do a minute in jail..........

214 posted on 10/26/2004 5:22:11 AM PDT by eeriegeno
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To: picturefan

Send NY Times editorial fraud complaints to:

retrace@nytimes.com


215 posted on 10/26/2004 5:22:51 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: eeriegeno

Agreed...and I'm still waiting to see who forged those documents to undermine the president. Or did I miss something?


216 posted on 10/26/2004 5:27:41 AM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: picturefan

Is this all they've got? I keep waiting for the big one to drop...but it's still two days till Thursday.


217 posted on 10/26/2004 5:28:06 AM PDT by 6ppc (Pajamas are for wimps! Freep naked!)
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To: Eva

thanks again, eva - I actually got 5 hours of sleep last night, but I don't think YOU did!!! Good work. !!!


218 posted on 10/26/2004 5:30:45 AM PDT by bitt (F'n, Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?)
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To: bitt

I have a lot going on in my life right now, and am not sleeping very well. The internet is a distraction, but the election doesn't help my nerves.


219 posted on 10/26/2004 5:33:47 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Howlin; Mo1

In view of the NBC embed reporters statement, Dan Blather might be feeling that he just dodged another bullet right now.

Prairie


220 posted on 10/26/2004 5:33:49 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Iraq had WMD. End of story.)
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