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Where is Bush's immigration policy helping him in this election?
Real Clear Politics Electoral Map ^ | October 22, 2003 | Plutarch

Posted on 10/22/2004 1:02:03 PM PDT by Plutarch

As we know, the Bush Administration has proposed Amnesty for illegal immigrants, and pressured House Republicans to strip the immigration provisions from H.R. 10, the 9/11 Recommendations Implementation Act . The Administration’s pro-immigration policy is commonly attributed to Karl Rove, whose strategy is thought to be to attract a higher percentage of the growing Hispanic vote . USA Today cites the importance of the Hispanic vote in four battleground states (New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Florida). Of these, only NM and FL are truly in play. Not everyone believes that Rove’s strategy is brilliant, and FR has no shortage of posts questioning Rove’s strategy.

Bush's re-election is in doubt with two weeks to go. Below is today's Real Clear Politics' Electoral Map . It is crunch time. If Rove’s policy is as shrewd as purported, we should see evidence of its advantages on this map. Where do we see the pay-off for Bush’s supposedly Hispanic-pleasing Amnesty-pushing policy?

Which states are red that would be white? Which are white that would have been blue?

Alternatively, the majority of the battleground electoral votes are in states with low Hispanic populations. Would not a robust border protection policy be popular, and provide a reason for a potential Kerry voter, in say, Ohio, to vote for Bush?

Maybe Freepers can help sort this out.


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KEYWORDS: aliens; border; election; election2004; immigrantlist; immigration; issues
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Immigration and border security will likely be important issues after we get GWB re-elected. Republican defenders of the Administration's policy have cited its electoral advantages. While this is not the time to bash the Bush Administration on immigration (as Kerry would be far worse), it is a good time to determine whether or not the Administration's policy has had electoral benefit.
1 posted on 10/22/2004 1:02:03 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Plutarch

Bush has not proposed amnesty.


2 posted on 10/22/2004 1:04:39 PM PDT by sinkspur ("If you're always talking, I can't get in a word edge-wise." God Himself.)
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To: Plutarch
One thing at a time.

we get the President elected, then we hammer him on immigration and help him find his veto stamp.
3 posted on 10/22/2004 1:04:53 PM PDT by cripplecreek (We've turned the corner and we're not smokin crack.)
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To: Plutarch

I believe it has had a negative effect, based on the people I know. But I am in California, so it is not easy to judge.


4 posted on 10/22/2004 1:05:55 PM PDT by international american (Support our troops!! Send Kerry back to Bedlam,Massachusetts!!)
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To: Plutarch

As soon as voters start electing politicians who will actually stop illegal immigration, politicians will start to do so. The problem is that politicians who ignore the issue keep getting re-elected, and the immigration issue makes no difference.


5 posted on 10/22/2004 1:06:00 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Plutarch

He has none that I can see.


6 posted on 10/22/2004 1:06:26 PM PDT by funkywbr
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To: Plutarch

"As we know, the Bush Administration has proposed Amnesty for illegal immigrants"

Really?? I don't know it. I thought that was Kerry...


7 posted on 10/22/2004 1:07:49 PM PDT by sam_whiskey (Peace through Strength)
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Surely Bush's dishonest little (legalization now, enforcement "later") Amnesty proposal should have him ahead in California and way ahead in FL. What gives? Well maybe the White House can turn this all around by succeeding in their attempts to strip immig. enforcement provisions out of the terrorism bill. That ought to do it.
8 posted on 10/22/2004 1:08:04 PM PDT by dagnabbit (Prevent the next 9-11. Stop Islamic immigration and deport Muslim aliens.)
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I don't support Bush's "Guest Worker program" it is better than Kerry's Amnesty proposal or the current chaos. But I do respect Bush for standing by his guns in the debate. He could have dodged the question, he is aware of the negative feeling that it stired up. Bush didn't do that, makes me want to vote for him even more


9 posted on 10/22/2004 1:08:17 PM PDT by jbwbubba (yes yes yes)
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To: sinkspur
"Bush has not proposed amnesty"

What flavor's that kool-aid? Making illegal folks legal is an amnesty.

10 posted on 10/22/2004 1:10:23 PM PDT by dagnabbit (Prevent the next 9-11. Stop Islamic immigration and deport Muslim aliens.)
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Ohio is not battleground just because of the illegal problem alone. That being said we are loaded with them and people aren't happy about it.


11 posted on 10/22/2004 1:11:15 PM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: Plutarch; Admin Moderator

This is a pro-Democrat vanity post (none of the above text at the linked site), and it's a lie.

The President said that he would sign either bill and didn't prefer one over the other.

The President has put more than 1000 new border patrol personnel on each border.

The President has put both manned and UAV flights in the air to patrol the border.


12 posted on 10/22/2004 1:11:40 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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Oh yeah, he hasn't proposed amnesty, read up on the FTAA and see how it will erase the borders then get back to us. BOTH parties are selling us out when it comes to borders and culture. If you ask Vincente Fox, it is a given that our borders will be erased soon enough.


13 posted on 10/22/2004 1:12:18 PM PDT by Liberalism=MentalDisorder
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To: familyop

1,000 new border patrol is about 19,000 too few.


14 posted on 10/22/2004 1:13:05 PM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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Well, I'm voting President Bush even though I am upset at his approach to illegals - because I know Kerry would be worse.

That is not a proper choice any American should have to make. Politics should never play a part in deciding if someone should be allowed to break our laws and get away with it.

I'm just wondering how smart that "Guy" really is - if he is indeed the one behind the policy - wasn't he the one who "lost" some material that was easy to find by a Democrat - wasn't he the one responsible for the set up of the debates -

President Bush is getting bad advice on the illegals issue no matter where it comes from - in my opinion - everyone is ignoring the main slam to Americans - the breaking of our laws and the allowing of it -


15 posted on 10/22/2004 1:13:44 PM PDT by Pastnowfuturealpha
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So if they're "legal" like you say does it mean they get to spend the rest of their lives here?? Help me out here. I guess GUEST worker=PERMANENT resident.


16 posted on 10/22/2004 1:13:57 PM PDT by sam_whiskey (Peace through Strength)
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This assumes that the immigration policy was purely meant to grab Hispanic votes and make the President popular. Don't discount the possibility that Bush pushed the plan because he thought, rightly or wrongly, that it was the right thing to do. Politicians do that sometimes, you know -- especially ones with (R) next to their name.

Doesn't matter much anyway, as everyone can tell the plan is dead, at least for the time being. Nor has Bush been talking about it much in the election, another indication that his plan was not just a vote grab.


17 posted on 10/22/2004 1:15:12 PM PDT by Phocion
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Where do we see the pay-off for Bush’s supposedly Hispanic-pleasing Amnesty-pushing policy?... Maybe Freepers can help sort this out.

OK. It's a myth that "Hispanics" want open borders and mass immigration. The myth comes from, in part, rich white liberals projecting how they think Hispanics should think. The wage-supressing business lobbies have two angles. ONe, the "Americans won't do this work" angle. The other, very clever indeed, is to adopt the elite liberal arguments. Indeed, the business groups, via the NIF and such, subsidize ethnic front groups to further create the impression to the non-discerning media consumer that "hispanics" think such and such.

The reality is the purposeful neglect of immigration laws disproportionately targets the income of Hispanic citizens. It's a wage-depressing policy.

18 posted on 10/22/2004 1:15:33 PM PDT by Shermy
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So if they're "legal" like you say does it mean they get to spend the rest of their lives here??

Yes. Who's going kick them out? George Bush? LOL

19 posted on 10/22/2004 1:17:07 PM PDT by dagnabbit (Prevent the next 9-11. Stop Islamic immigration and deport Muslim aliens.)
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Quite frankly I don't care about electoral benefit and why in God's name should anyone else? There are many ways a nation can lose its' identity and even its' sovernity. Looking at a elecoral map like a football fan looks at a play diagram isn't my idea of "good politics".

Sorry but this one single issue kills it all for me. There cannot be "conservatism" within any politican who keeps an open border policy. No doubt I have the minority opinion with this, as usual.

Regards;

20 posted on 10/22/2004 1:17:52 PM PDT by Dazedcat
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