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On All Cylinders [Bush does everything you want... in a debate]
The Weekly Standard ^ | 10/142004 | Fred Barnes

Posted on 10/13/2004 11:22:35 PM PDT by Utah Girl

WHAT DO YOU want to achieve in a presidential debate? You want to hammer home your campaign themes. You want to put your opponent on the defensive. You want to sell yourself personally. And you want to avoid a gaffe or a damaging sound bite. Bush did all four in Wednesday night's third and final nationally televised debate with John Kerry. It was his best debate performance ever and that includes his three debates with Al Gore in 2000. As a result, it may have won Bush a second White House term.

Let's examine the four goals the president--or Kerry, for that matter--sought to realize in the debate. Themes? Bush's chief message was that Kerry is a liberal on the fringe of the political mainstream. He argued it with humor, saying Kerry is so liberal he makes Teddy Kennedy "the conservative senator from Massachusetts." And he did it by pointing to issues. He contrasted his tax cutting with Kerry's penchant for raising taxes. He insisted that Kerry's vote against the Gulf War in 1991 meant America could never pass the senator's "global test" for military intervention. In that war, the United States had the United Nations and most of the world were on its side, but not Kerry, Bush noted.

And for the first time, Bush made an effective case for a constitutional amendment protecting traditional marriage. Kerry claimed correctly that he and Bush agree marriage should only be between a man and a woman. But they don't agree on how to preserve this arrangement. Bush backs an amendment as the only way to bar judges from imposing same-sex marriage on states and Kerry doesn't. This is a sleeper issue in the campaign, one Bush would be wise to follow up on in his stump speeches.

Defense? Kerry was forced to play defense last night as much as Bush was in the first debate two weeks ago. Kerry repeatedly said his health care plan was not a big government program. He all but admitted he has litmus test for prospective Supreme Court justices on abortion--that is, they must be pro-choice. Responding to Bush's charge he'd sponsored only a handful of bills during his 20 years in the Senate that actually began law, Kerry came up with an inaccurate claim to have "personally written" 56 bills.

Sell yourself? Bush looked comfortable during the debate's 90 minutes and acted as if he would happily have continued for another hour. Maybe this was because the debate didn't go beyond his normal bedtime (9:00 p.m. or so). Of course, his adjustment to Pacific time--the debate was in Arizona--would have had to be a quick one. Anyway, his answers on his Christian faith ("I pray a lot.") and what he's learned from the women in his life ("Listen to them.") were appealing. Also, again unlike in the first debate, his body language was positive.

Finally, there wasn't a gaffe or a major flub. A bad sound bite can be quite embarrassing when broadcast over and over on TV. Just ask Dan Quayle or Michael Dukakis. Bush didn't fall into that kind of trouble, nor did Kerry.

Were there Kerry moments? Not many. Kerry may have beaten Bush in arguing in favor of a higher minimum wage, but not by much. And he may have succeeded in raising doubts about Bush's plan to allow workers to earmark some of their payroll taxes for private investment accounts. Beyond that, it wasn't Kerry's night.

The snap polls, however, showed a tie or even a Kerry win. These should be ignored. A debate is a three or four day event, starting with the 90 minutes on TV, then involving examination of what the candidates said and commentary on it, and winding up with polls that show whether one candidate or the other gained or lost ground. My guess is Bush will gain.

Now here's a strange twist on the debate. Bush was the winner in a focus group of uncommitted voters conducted by pollster Frank Luntz last night. The 23 voters thought Kerry, not Bush, won the debate. But they split 17 to 5 in favor of Bush on whom they now plan to vote for (one will vote Libertarian). "They still don't trust what John Kerry is saying," Luntz said, though they thought he said it well.


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I'm watching the rerun of the debates right now. I think President Bush is doing very well. I'm glad to see that FNC thought the President won the debate this evening.
1 posted on 10/13/2004 11:22:35 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Utah Girl

BTTT


2 posted on 10/13/2004 11:23:34 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Utah Girl
Thanks for the post!
Utah, eh? Drive to Nevada and spend a couple weeks! ;-)
3 posted on 10/13/2004 11:24:01 PM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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To: Utah Girl
"They still don't trust what John Kerry is saying,"

Even a broken clock....

5 posted on 10/13/2004 11:25:59 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (Always ask yourself, does this pass the Global Test?)
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To: Sjoerd; Admin Moderator

I'm sure that's what your pals at DU think, but you're in for a big disappointment in November. So long troll.


6 posted on 10/13/2004 11:27:38 PM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: Sjoerd

Thanks for signing up today and blessing us with your words of wisdom. Only...I don't get what you are saying.


7 posted on 10/13/2004 11:27:54 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Sjoerd



Cry in your milk idiot !


8 posted on 10/13/2004 11:28:26 PM PDT by america-rules (It's US or THEM so what part don't you understand ?)
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To: Sjoerd

Mmmm, rrright... you must mean all those finely wrought lines like this one:
"I'm tired of politicians who talk about family values and don't value families" (huh?)


9 posted on 10/13/2004 11:28:26 PM PDT by ash-housewares
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To: Sjoerd
The only problem with Bush's best (including 2000) is that it still puts him about, oh, 50,000 miles behind Kerry.

But the only problem with Kerry's best is...it loses him votes.

10 posted on 10/13/2004 11:31:52 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: Sjoerd
The only problem with Bush's best (including 2000) is that it still puts him about, oh, 50,000 miles behind Kerry.

And to think you signed on to FR just to post that woefully unimaginative retort.

Curl up in your bed tonight with the warm self-delusional notion that you made some sort of difference here.

11 posted on 10/13/2004 11:34:00 PM PDT by AHerald ("The fates lead him who will; him who won't they drag.")
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To: Utah Girl; Mo1
Bush spoke of his accomplishments and his vision for the future.

Kerry spoke of a plan he has never explained, and continued to complain, while Monday morning quarterbacking over things we can't change.

This was a huge win for Dubya

12 posted on 10/13/2004 11:37:14 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: dfwgator
I'm sure that's what your pals at DU think, but you're in for a big disappointment in November. So long troll.

Can't we leave these trolls comments up a little longer so we can all have some fun? What a Maroon!

13 posted on 10/14/2004 12:05:16 AM PDT by Allosaurs_r_us (Carnivores for Conservatives!)
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To: MJY1288; Fracas
"They still don't trust what John Kerry is saying," Luntz said, though they thought he said it well

Folks are not going to vote for a man they don't trust

14 posted on 10/14/2004 12:30:48 AM PDT by Mo1 (The President's job is not to pass a global test, but to protect the American people.)
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To: Mo1

This is the point so many talking-heads fail to grasp. There is such a thing as being too well-prepared. Any polished speaker can win a debate, merely by being better able to recite a list of factoids from memory. I would concede that Bush lost the first debate if only because he did not go after Kerry on his vote on the first Gulf War and because Bush seemed tired. But his answers were more truthful and consistent (perhaps too consistent in that they seemed repetitive).


15 posted on 10/14/2004 12:53:54 AM PDT by Ilya Mourometz
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To: Ilya Mourometz
I would concede that Bush lost the first debate if only because

Folks that I spoke woke with (mostly moms) said that yes, Kerry won that debate on style .. but that he came off looking and sounding like a politician

Their comments about Bush were that he was honest and truthful and that he spoke from the heart

The second debate they said the President was much more relaxed and himself

I can't wait to hear what they have to say about tonights debate

16 posted on 10/14/2004 1:04:15 AM PDT by Mo1 (The President's job is not to pass a global test, but to protect the American people.)
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To: Utah Girl
"The snap polls, however, showed a tie or even a Kerry win. These should be ignored. A debate is a three or four day event, starting with the 90 minutes on TV, then involving examination of what the candidates said and commentary on it, and winding up with polls that show whether one candidate or the other gained or lost ground. My guess is Bush will gain."

BTW, this is an opinion piece. ;-`

17 posted on 10/14/2004 5:20:26 AM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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To: Mo1

Ahem...if they speak...er...um...personally on how George came across and their response, you might not wish to publish it - ya think?

:o)


18 posted on 10/14/2004 5:27:24 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ...
THE best Bush Zinger of last night.............

PRESIDENT BUSH: In all due respect, I'm not so sure it's credible to quote leading news organizations about -- well, never mind. Anyway.

Zinggggggggggggggggggg

19 posted on 10/14/2004 6:09:57 AM PDT by OXENinFLA (http://sorosloser.com/)
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To: Utah Girl

Yep, you can see he won The DNC had to jimmy the poll results to get a "Kerry win" story. Check this

Go to the MSNBC "Debate" poll, Look at the number of responses since last night. Between 10pm CST last night and 8am cst today

1,167,339????? OBVIOUSLY someone jimmied the numbers. That is more people then WATCH MSNBC overnight!

Then check out this curious fact. CNN showed almost exactly the OPPOSITE result at 12 mindnight CST yet this morning that poll is PULLED from the CNN website. However, CNN IS hyping their "SNAP poll" which shows a Kerry win but could of ONLY been conducted ON the WEST Coast since the time frame after the debate would not allow polling anywhere else in the country.

Yep, Journalistic Fraud, all the way around.

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20 posted on 10/14/2004 6:16:11 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Vote Bush 2004-We cannot survive a 9-10 President in a 9-11 World)
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