Posted on 10/13/2004 5:19:44 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
45 minutes to go. If there is already a live debate thread go ahead and delete this.
I understand posting a live thread has become a somewhat of a political ordeal here, when it shouldn't be. So to take the pressure off, I'm posting this anyway. Do I dare? LOL!
Is Cahill on drugs? Or is she just a sociopath?
doncha love it!
THANK GOD THESE DEBATES ARE OVER....Now is the time to get to work...Support Swiftvets, POW's, Email shows. It will be the action over the next few weeks to win this thing.
DON'T LET THE DNC TURN THIS COUNTRY INTO ANOTHER VIETNAM WAR TORN COUNTRY. The best way to show this is for BUSH to win BIG so lawyers can't play, and the protester's but their head between their legs and go back to their sorry life.
Yes, ALL stay off the online post-debate polls. They will be rendered meaningless when they report Kerry winning by 90%+
He does these things because he is a decent human being.
Bill Frist is smoking on MSNBC giving Kerry a prostate exam
Bet they brought Frist to stop the stem cell spin
Playing the daughter clip again right now on FOX to analyze.
I don't care how good our President does in these debates, some here will never be satisfied. He cannot spit out every single point on every issue. But tonight he almost did it. Be happy folks!!!
Not a Seinfeld fan, I see!
Missed some of it. Were the borders mentioned? At all? Any faint references? Any Plan? (this has to be the year of "the plan").
I'm so tired of you folks who don't understand that being President is much more than giving a good interview. Being a governor first is the best training ground. You and the Condi people make me wonder....
"Did you hear the President say he feels our prayers?"
No I didn't. Really?
I am shivering just thinking about it.
BINGO! The dude with the long rubber face is a drag.
Somebody give me a quick thumbs up or thumbs down.
The comentators on Fox Radio kind of implied that Bush blew it. That he was stuttering and was nervous and relied on "No child left behind" as a crutch through a lot of questions.
Although I'm sure you wouldn't expect an objective answer here, I believe President Bush won!
Chris Wallace asking Cahill why Kerry felt the need to discuss Cheney's daughter. Cahill said if she's not hiding it from the public and seems happy, than why not discuss it. Wallace said that's the point, if she hasn't brought it up why the need for Kerry to do so and it's thrilling watching Cahill dance around the issue.
He did smile many times, but his overall demeanor gave the impression that he never did, and that's what people will remember.
Frist is all in their face.
The Forbes family of China and Boston, of which US Senator John Forbes Kerry and John Murray Forbes are members, amassed a huge fortune in the China trade, initially trading North American furs and manufactured goods for tea and other goods from China.
Forbes also made a considerable fortune smuggling opium during the Opium Wars. The British wanted to keep a monopoly on supplying the Chinese with opium grown in India. However, during the Opium Wars the British ships were prevented from delivering their cargoes of opium and American ship owners such as Forbes, who could sail the final miles, made great amounts of money delivering the cargoes for the British. Forbes family members later engaged in other merchant banking and railroad investment projects around the world.
Born in France, John Murray Forbes entered the China trade at the behest of his Perkins uncles, and after his brother Tom Forbes died, and thereafter John Murray Forbes was mentored by the Chinese merchant Houqua who considered Forbes to be like a son. Following John Murray Forbes into China were several brothers and cousins, including Francis Blackwell Forbes, the great grandfather of John Forbes Kerry. The Forbes family lived and traded in China at first due to a family connection with the Perkins family. Later, some of the Forbes family sold their China trading interests to the Russell and Company, a shipping empire which was headed by Robert Bennett Forbes, and was later associated with Yale's development and endowment. Yale's Skull and Bones society was founded by William H. Russell, one of the members of the wealthy Russell family, in 1832.
The Dictionary of American Biography reports that the noted American ship captain Robert Bennet Forbes played "a prominent role in the outbreak of the Chinese Opium War."
Several of the Forbes family cashed out of their dealings in China after the Opium War, and reinvested in Europe and the United States. Some of the population growth of Chicago and Midwestern Plains states in the middle to late 19th century was due to John Murray Forbes' railroad projects in Michigan and Chicago. The Chicago, Burlington & Quincy Railroad Co., from Chicago west to the Pacific was built by John Murray Forbes who had perhaps a reputation for sound financial management amongst the railroad tycoons of the day. In 1879, William Forbes, son of John Murray Forbes, risked the fortune to financially back Alexander Graham Bell's telephone company, and become president of the company, a risk which paid off. Cameron Forbes used his wealth to become Governor General of the Philippines. His niece Ruth Forbes Paine Young tapped her Forbes family inheritance to finance the International Peace Academy. Her husband invented the Bell Helicopter used in the Korean and Vietnam Wars. In a tiny footnote to history, Ruth Forbes Paine Young's son, Michael R. Paine, and his wife Ruth Paine, allowed Maria Oswald, the wife of Lee Harvey Oswald, to live in their house as a family friend, and Oswald's rifle was stored for a time in the Paine's family garage.
Many Forbes family members purchased estates in France and Massachusetts, and generally remain influential there, in local or national politics. John Forbes Kerry is a U.S. Senator and currently a candidate for President of the U.S. Though he is a beneficiary of several Forbes family trusts (c. 2002), Kerry has not worked in the private sector for Forbes family business interests and has devoted his life to a career in public service. Kerry's first cousin and friend, Brice Lalonde, an environmentalist activist, is a French Green party politician who was a candidate for President of France in 1981 and currently mayor of Saint-Briac-sur-Mer near the Forbes family estate.
Until recently, the Museum of the American China Trade in Boston was curated by a Forbes great-grandson, Dr. H. A. Crosby Forbes, an expert on Chinese porcelain. The museum was a monument to the China merchants and the great wealth accruing to Boston created in the China trade. The [renamed] Forbes House Charitable Trust now owns the Captain Forbes House Museum on Boston's South shore.
The Forbes family owns, through the family JM Forbes Naushon Island Trust, named for the wealthy John Murray Forbes, the private Naushon Island, part of the Elizabeth Islands NW of Martha's Vineyard and SW of Cape Cod.
The Forbes family of China and Boston is descended from Scottish immigrants (See Forbes genealogy below for Sen. Kerry and other Forbes family members in America and ancestors in Scotland).
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