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Florida Amendments / Election 2004 Discussion Thread
FreeRepublic.com ^ | Oct. 12, 2004 Columbus Day | NonValueAdded

Posted on 10/12/2004 7:21:29 PM PDT by NonValueAdded

This is a thread to consolidate all of the commentary on the Florida message board concerning the Constitutional Amendments up for ratification on November 2nd. Please keep this thread focused on the amendments but feel free to start other discussion threads. Help us all make informed decisions on election day!


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: amendments; decision2004; discussion; florida; florida2004
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To: NonValueAdded
Bookmark to post #10 and BUMP!

Click the Florida state flag for pro-gun resources!

21 posted on 10/15/2004 6:32:50 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: The Great Yazoo

See post #19 for a good reason to vote YES on #2.


22 posted on 10/15/2004 6:39:17 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Kerry: I wholeheartedly disagree with you beyond expression)
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To: NonValueAdded
The trial lawyers (and other mischief makers) will have no trouble complying with these requirements. Only the grassroots (who, I would assert, are more likely to be conservative) would find their amendments barred.

While I think it a "Good Thing" to prevent bedsheet ballots filled with hundreds of constitutional amendments, I still think it worse to take away people's rights to limit the Legislature (The Constitution, itself, was once such a limit.).

Ultimately, the solution is an electorate prepared to think about what they are doing. If a voter doesn't understand a particular amendment or if it doesn't make sense, that voter should simply vote NO.
23 posted on 10/15/2004 6:53:21 AM PDT by The Great Yazoo (JFK: He's a real nowhere man, Sitting in his nowhereland, Making all his nowhere plans, For nobody)
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To: MTOrlando

My $0.02 is that all three medical malpractice amendments (3,7 & 8) should be voted "NO". Each is very radical in its own way and does nothing to improve medical care or the rights of a truly injured patient.


24 posted on 10/16/2004 3:04:55 PM PDT by Oystir
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To: Oystir

Why vote "NO" on 3???
It prevents med mal attorneys from hitting the lottery on big dollar cases, and helps dry up funding to the Dem party both locally and nationally?


25 posted on 10/16/2004 7:52:18 PM PDT by MedNole
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To: MedNole

Yes, 3 does limit attorney fees but there are better ways to place caps then by amendment and 3 is as radical as 7 & 8. All are misguied attempts by special interests. All deserve a "no" vote.


26 posted on 10/16/2004 9:59:17 PM PDT by Oystir
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To: Oystir

Anyone have info on Florida judges up for election/re-elction?


27 posted on 10/17/2004 3:12:34 PM PDT by Oystir
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To: Oystir

Anyone have info on Florida judges up for election/re-elction?


28 posted on 10/17/2004 3:13:13 PM PDT by Oystir
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To: Oystir

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1243100/posts

Have you seen this thread yet?


29 posted on 10/17/2004 8:16:04 PM PDT by MedNole
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To: MedNole
Why vote "NO" on 3???

I'm sort of amazed at how many conservatives can't wait to impose government controls over what is a private contract i.e. the agreement between an attorney and client.

When have price controls ever accoplished what they set out to do?

BTW: I'm not a "trial attorney" so this amendment won't impact my pocketbook. I'm opposing this amendment on principle.

30 posted on 10/17/2004 8:30:19 PM PDT by ConservativeLawyer (Broken Glass Republican)
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To: ConservativeLawyer

There are already limits on contingency fee agreements, this would just alter the limits. The only real difference is that in the extremely high judgments, patients get to keep more of the money. Other than that, it doesn't change very much.

The reason contingency fees are already limited is because the goverment offers lawyers certain protections. In a perfect market, anyone could be a "supplier" in the law industry, and the public wouldn't need any fee limits. However, since lawyers get certain benefits from goverment protection, the public also needs protection from collusion. If anyone could practice law, you would likely see contingency fees fall (along with the quality of representation). However, this is why fees are (and should continue to be) capped. Is $75,000 PLUS ALL EXPENSES in a $250K setllement really not enough for the attorney?


31 posted on 10/17/2004 8:41:08 PM PDT by MedNole
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To: MedNole
Is $75,000 PLUS ALL EXPENSES in a $250K setllement really not enough for the attorney?

I don't like the government deciding how much is "enough." That is a slippery slope you are on.

Not everyone can be a plumber. You must be licensed. Should the Florida Consitution also impose limits on how much plumbers can charge?

I understand that attorneys are not popular, so it makes it easier to justify in one's mind the imposition of price controls.

32 posted on 10/17/2004 9:01:07 PM PDT by ConservativeLawyer (Broken Glass Republican)
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To: NonValueAdded

BUMP for reference!


33 posted on 10/20/2004 8:22:10 PM PDT by PatriotGirl827 (God Bless America!)
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To: NonValueAdded

BUMP. Thanks.


34 posted on 10/21/2004 9:52:04 AM PDT by JanetteS
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To: ConservativeLawyer

I don't like the gov. putting limits either but it's out of control. Would you favor this if it set the limits an attorney could recieve at say $5 million ?


35 posted on 10/21/2004 10:32:11 AM PDT by subterfuge (Union THuGs: they're all the RAGE!)
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To: JulieRNR21

thanks julieRNR21.


36 posted on 10/21/2004 10:45:56 AM PDT by subterfuge (Union THuGs: they're all the RAGE!)
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To: GatorGirl
Hey GG ... I took the liberty of reposting your comments on the Florida board on my Amendment thread. Yours is a perfect example of why a three-strikes amendment could have major unintended consequences and, as we see with Terri's Law, the governor and legislature would be powerless to do anything until a correcting amendment could be passed. FRegards, NVA
By: Gator Girl on the Florida Locale board, 10/22/2004 7:25:54 PM EDT

Re: Amendments 3, 7 and 8

My husband works in the ER and was sued by someone who waited a week to go to the ER for a eye injury and subsequently lost his eye.

The guy named the doctors, PA, nurses, and even the on-call clinic because they asked to have the guy sent over in the morning instead of coming in.

Because he waited, he would have lost the eye anyway.

My husband's malpractice carrier decided to settle instead of spending the money it would take to fight, and then most likely paying out to a sympathetic plaintiff who lost an eye.

A "yes" on Amendment 3 will allow more carriers to fight lawsuits and will give some of these plaintiff's lawyers pause before they take some of the more questionable cases.

By the way, I am a lawyer.

With regard to 7 and 8, there is no definition of "malpractice" or "adverse incident" in either Amendment. Neither my husband nor any of the other medical providers involved really committed malpractice, but the result of the suit may lead someone to believe they did.

Don't get me wrong, I think patients should be able to select a qualified physician, but "malpractice" is not always "malpractice". Let the doctors police the doctors, just like lawyers police the lawyers.

37 posted on 10/22/2004 5:00:28 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Kerry: I wholeheartedly disagree with you beyond expression)
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To: NonValueAdded

No problem, hope it helps. I fear I'm preaching to the choir.

And thanks for the ping to the "amendment" thread too! I'll take a look.


38 posted on 10/22/2004 5:10:47 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Donate to the SwiftVets!)
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To: MTOrlando

On # 4- there's no reason not to allow slot machines. They will bring tax revenue from the people who want them great enough to offset the cost to the people who don't want them or don't care about them.

Implications of #2 - provides more structure to the efficiency of the state legislature. Also, requires citizens to be informed and to use discipline in filing petitions. Requiring the Supreme Court to review in a timely manner is a good thing...


39 posted on 10/24/2004 10:08:25 AM PDT by FreeTrade
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To: FreeTrade
On # 4- there's no reason not to allow slot machines. They will bring tax revenue from the people who want them great enough to offset the cost to the people who don't want them or don't care about them.

Why not allow them statewide? Something about this just doesn't seem right to me - not that I'm against legalization and taxation of gambling, but does this need to be in the constitution?

If it's a good idea, why not just have the legislature authorize it, and let the Department of Revenue collect sales taxes on gambling proceeds?

Is the funding really going to "supplement" education, or will the legislature just pull as much regular funding from the education budget as is brought in by slot machine tax revenues, like they did with the state lottery?
40 posted on 10/24/2004 12:04:10 PM PDT by MTOrlando
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