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WHICH POLLSTERS WERE CLOSEST IN 2000?
Kerry Spot on National Review Online ^ | 10/12/04 | jim geraghty

Posted on 10/12/2004 2:56:45 PM PDT by MarlboroRed

WHICH POLLSTERS WERE CLOSEST IN 2000? [10/12 05:41 PM]

Kerry Spot reader John went back into the Hotline and found their list of the final polls by various organizations.

The final result of the 2000 election: 48 percent for Gore, 48 percent for Bush, 4 percent other. Note that the DUI appeared to have a very late-breaking effect on Bush’s level of support.

Zogby underestimated Bush by 2, had Gore accurate.

Washington Post had Bush accurate, Gore underestimated by 3.

Pew underestimated Bush by 2; underestimated Gore by 5.

Newsweek underestimated Bush by 3; underestimated Gore by 5.

NBC/Wall Street Journal underestimated Bush by 1; underestimated Gore by 4.

Marist overestimated Bush by 1, underestimated Gore by 4.

Harris underestimated both Bush and Gore by one point.

Gallup had Bush accurate, Gore underestimated by 2.

Fox News underestimated both Bush and Gore by 5 percentage points each.

CBS News underestimated Bush by 4, Gore by 3.

Battleground overestimated Bush by 2, underestimated Gore by 3.

The raw data:

A rundown of every final national poll conducted since 10/31. ^ indicates totals included the allocation of undecideds. Order is Bush, Gore, Nader.

1 Battleground (11/5-6; 1,000 LVs; +/- 3%)^ 50 45 4

2 Bullseye (10/31-11/2, 11/5; +/- 3.1%) 45 42 4

1 CBS News (11/4-6; 806 LVs; +/- 3%) 44 45 4

1 Democracy Corps (D) (10/30-31; 881 DVs; +/- 3.1%) 45 45 5

2 Fox News (11/1-2; 1,000 LVs; +/- 3%) 43 43 3

1 Gallup (11/5-6; 2,350 LVs; +/- 2%)^ 48 46 4

1 Harris (11/3-5; 1,348 LVs; +/- 3%) 47 47 5

0 ICR (11/1-5; 1,141 LVs; +/- 3%) 46 44 7

2 Marist Inst. (11/1-2; 623 LVs; +/- 4.5%) 49 44 2

1 NBC/WSJ (11/3-5; 1,026 LVs; +/- 3%) 47 44 3

2 Newsweek (10/31-11/2; 808 LVs; +/- 4%) 45 43 5

0 Pew (11/1-4; 1,307 LVs; +/- 3%) 46 43 3

1 TIPP (11/4-6; 1,292 LVs; +/- 2.8%) 48 46 4

2 Wash. Post (11/4-6; 1,801 LVs; +/- 2%) 48 45 3

1 Zogby Int'l (11/5-6; 1,200 LVs; +/- 3%)^ 46 48 5

UPDATE: Gerry Daly observes that one pollster ‘called’ over 29% of the 2002 Senate and/or Gubenatorial races for the wrong candidate, despite polling more races than all but one other company.

The average for everybody else was getting about 13% of the races wrong, by comparison?

This pollster? Zogby.

Another pollster polled more 2002 races than any others, but only got one wrong. This pollster? Mason-Dixon.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2000; algore; polls
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Very interesting that Zogby did so badly in 2002.
1 posted on 10/12/2004 2:56:45 PM PDT by MarlboroRed
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To: MarlboroRed

Undersetimate for loser in 2000 = no way to poll for vote fraud


2 posted on 10/12/2004 3:00:14 PM PDT by BenLurkin (We have low inflation and and low unemployment.)
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To: MarlboroRed

i thought rasmussen had the closest one for "00? Any idea about them?


3 posted on 10/12/2004 3:02:29 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature
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To: MarlboroRed

Yep, I would think the more pertinent question would be which pollsters were closest in 2002...in a post 9/11 world.

Conventional wisdom was that the Republicans would lose seats because they were in the WH, but just the opposite happened. Did any of the pollsters pick up that trend pre 2002 election results?


4 posted on 10/12/2004 3:02:50 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: MarlboroRed
I got a call on my answering machine from a Quinipac pollster.
Should I be happy or sad that I missed the call?
5 posted on 10/12/2004 3:04:04 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: K4Harty
I think Rasmussen was off a lot in 2000, somewhat embarrassed.
6 posted on 10/12/2004 3:04:07 PM PDT by MarlboroRed
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To: dawn53

From the data above, Mason Dixon was most accurate in 2002.


7 posted on 10/12/2004 3:05:00 PM PDT by MarlboroRed
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To: MarlboroRed
Very interesting that Zogby did so badly in 2002.

He completely changed his poll methodology after 2000.

8 posted on 10/12/2004 3:05:37 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experiments are the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: AndyTheBear

Let's hope is methodology is still goofy today.


9 posted on 10/12/2004 3:06:24 PM PDT by MarlboroRed
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To: MarlboroRed

Yes, Rassmussen had Bush at 52% and Gore at 43%.


10 posted on 10/12/2004 3:06:42 PM PDT by CTGOPPER (Conservative in Liberal Connecticut.)
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To: BenLurkin
Undersetimate for loser in 2000 != no way to poll for vote fraud

Undersetimate for loser in 2000 == last minute DUI stunt

11 posted on 10/12/2004 3:07:41 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experiments are the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: CTGOPPER

49-40


12 posted on 10/12/2004 3:08:47 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: K4Harty
Rasussen was the most off, overestimating for Bush like 11 or something. After retooling his data collection and analysis, Rasmussen was the only one to nail 2002 just right, though.
13 posted on 10/12/2004 3:10:23 PM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: MarlboroRed
My understanding is, that he is trying to correct it by being even goofier.

He appears to be manipulating the results by a demographic weighting to be determined after the survey is conducted.

Although he didn't do it quite right in 2002, he seems convinced he's got the right kind of sauce simmering this time...I think he's full of it.

14 posted on 10/12/2004 3:11:06 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experiments are the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: MarlboroRed
Could we rename the Title please?

"Of All The Steaming Turds Out There, Which Turd Stinks Less?"?

15 posted on 10/12/2004 3:15:04 PM PDT by ez2muz
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To: MarlboroRed

TOP FIVE in 2000!
Zogby underestimated Bush by 2, had Gore accurate.

Washington Post had Bush accurate, Gore underestimated by 3.

Pew underestimated Bush by 2; underestimated Gore by 5.

Newsweek underestimated Bush by 3; underestimated Gore by 5.

NBC/Wall Street Journal underestimated Bush by 1; underestimated Gore by 4.




Maybe some polsters are better at national races(Zogby)
and other polsters are better at statewide races(Mason/Dixon)


16 posted on 10/12/2004 3:18:39 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To: ez2muz

Heck, these polls were probably more accurate than the actual voting. The difference between the polling data and the "vote count" is probably very close to the percentage of voter fraud perpetrated by the Dems.


17 posted on 10/12/2004 3:19:47 PM PDT by Earl B.
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To: snarkytart

Well, considering that the national race is really 50 state races . . .


18 posted on 10/12/2004 3:19:54 PM PDT by MarlboroRed
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To: MarlboroRed

My records show that Rasmussen's final poll before the 2000 election was Gore 41.40 and Bush 46.90. Actual election outcome numbers were Gore 48.38 and Bush 47.87. Rasmussen didn't pick-up the late surge for Gore after the Bush DUI revelation.


19 posted on 10/12/2004 3:19:55 PM PDT by Warriormom
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To: MarlboroRed

Has it been determined that the Bush DUI actually had an impact on the campaign?


20 posted on 10/12/2004 3:20:55 PM PDT by dfdemar
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