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The Undecided: No More Beating Around the Bush
Townhall ^ | Oct. 9, 2004 | Jan LaRue, Esq.

Posted on 10/09/2004 9:41:42 AM PDT by FairOpinion

When President Bush shook hands with Sen. Kerry last night at the second presidential debate in St. Louis, I had the feeling he whispered, “I hope you’re not a fan of re-runs.”

A strong, energized, confident and frownless president brought his game and went after his opponent with steely-eyed determination and a sense of humor. Kerry’s face showed surprise, if not concern. Apparently the Botox hadn’t kicked in. And well it should, because the Kerry record, or lack thereof, took a lot of hits. And about that “most liberal record,” Bush said, “You can run but you can't hide.”

Kerry’s spinners tried to dismiss the body blows their guy took by saying the president was “so angry” he was “stomping” on the stage. They actually “thought” the president was going to “pounce” on the moderator when he insisted on time needed to respond to a question. “He wasn’t relaxed enough; he wasn’t the good-old-boy.”

Time after time, Kerry responded to questions asking what he would do about an issue by criticizing what the president has done. He did manage to land a few blows.

This debate was hyped as essential for winning those who are still “undecided” 25 days from choosing the next leader of the free world. Coincidentally, the Gallup organization announced a first. Its latest poll shows there aren’t any undecided voters, just a few who are leaning toward a candidate but might vote for the other.

“Never before have two presidential candidates spent so much time, money and attention trying to woo people who can’t make up their minds,” according to the Des Moines Register on debate morning. A 22-year-old poli-sci major said she still “doesn’t know” whether to vote for Bush or Kerry and being wooed makes her feel “special.” Swell.

These are primarily the style folks. Whether candidates frown or wax eloquent matters more than records, vision and steadfast leadership.

I’m probably a tad cynical but I’d feel much better if Buffy and the “special” people would busy themselves on November 2 by gathering on some remote island and picking who gets tossed. People who vote for the commander-in-chief as if they’re picking the next GQ cover boy scare me.

The debate at Washington University in St. Louis followed a town-hall format. The Gallup organization randomly selected the 140 audience members who claimed to be “undecided” or “leaning.”

The university provided dinner and asked them to pick steak or chicken. They were allowed to change their minds at dinnertime. See what I mean?

Moderator Charlie Gibson of ABC News and Good Morning America chose 18 pre-submitted questions from audience members who then were allowed to read their question on either of two subject fields, the economy and domestic policy or foreign policy and domestic security.

There were 18 questions on subjects including Iraq; the economy; healthcare; Iran; terrorist attack; prescription drugs; deficit spending; taxes; jobs; the “Patriot Act”; abortion funding; stem-cell research; the environment; the draft; Supreme Court appointments; foreign relations; three mistakes the president has made, one of which he said was an unnamed appointment; and one who asked Kerry to reply to those who say he is too “wishy-washy,” which he actually blamed on the president for not finding WMDs in Iraq. The president had fun with that one.

When Kerry said he favored tort reform as a solution for decreasing health care costs, which may have sent his running mate off to soothe the trial lawyers’ lobby, the president countered with, “Well, he should have shown up and voted for it.”

As to Supreme Court appointments, the president said he wants judges who strictly interpret the Constitution and won’t let their personal opinion get in the way of the law. That’s his “litmus test.” Kerry said it isn’t about them being conservative or liberal. It’s about “reading their opinions and you can’t tell who they are. … Will a woman's right to choose be protected?”

The most important thing about the debate for the undecided and leaning is that they couldn’t have a clearer picture of the differences between the candidates. The contrasts, in addition to the usual ones on Iraq, terrorism and taxes, couldn’t have been starker on the subjects of abortion and stem-cell research.

The question of federal funding for abortion was directed to Kerry. His answer was so convoluted, I had to take two aspirin for the headache I got trying to make sense of it. He’s a Catholic who can’t legislate his faith; he’s against partial-birth abortion [although he voted against the ban]; he voted against parental notification because a 16- or 17-year-old who’s been raped by her father and who’s pregnant can’t be forced to tell her father; there has to be judicial intervention [there is one]. Despite all that, Kerry claims “you can take that position and not be pro-abortion.”

The president opened his rebuttal with, “we’re not going to spend taxpayers’ money on abortion.” The president’s heart, faith and convictions shone like the sun as he listed the bills he’s signed to protect the unborn.

Kerry was asked a powerful and accurate question about embryonic stem-cell research, which began: “Thousands of people have already been cured or treated by the use of adult stem cells or umbilical-cord stem cells. However, no one has been cured by using embryonic stem cells. Wouldn’t it be wise to use stem cells obtained without the destruction of an embryo?”

Kerry responded clinically and abstractly about doing “ethically guided embryonic stem-cell research” based on an “option” and wanting to grab the future, but never mentioned the present reality of cures from adult stem cells.

The president wasn’t as substantive as he could have been but he spoke with conviction about respect for life and balancing science and ethics.

John Kerry mentioned that he has a plan “to do better” about 33 times with scant specifics. George Bush kept mentioning his record, mostly with specific examples.

If the undecided and leaning are still confused about analyzing issues and comparing the responses, I’d like to help the “special” people with a suggestion.

Most of the people who died on 9-11 had a job with health care and retirement benefits. The air at ground zero became an environmental disaster within seconds. A strong economy depends on keeping commercial airline ballistic missiles from being launched into Wall Street. Social security is more than an adequate pension; it requires living long enough to retire. “No Child Left Behind” has taken on special meaning with the news that federal agents have advised school district officials in Georgia, Florida, Michigan, New Jersey, Oregon and California that al Qaeda may have American children in their cross-hairs. The most important thing isn’t finding WMDs in Iraq—it’s not finding them here.

On November 2, keep in mind what mattered most on 9-11.


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"On November 2, keep in mind what mattered most on 9-11."

This says it all.

A sure sign that Bush trounced Kerry in this debate, is that there are NO articles in the MSM talking about who won the debate, while after the first debate there were headlines all over about "Kerry wins debate".

1 posted on 10/09/2004 9:41:42 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

I was extremely Happy with the Presidents performance last night.

He won no doubt in my mind.


2 posted on 10/09/2004 9:44:10 AM PDT by The Mayor (The Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.)
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To: FairOpinion

"You can run but you can't hide"... analogous to what the president said about the terrorists... subtle yet slamming... I love it...


3 posted on 10/09/2004 9:44:23 AM PDT by tomnbeverly (John Kerry has forgotten the lessons of 911 and he wants us all to forget them too.)
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To: FairOpinion
When President Bush shook hands with Sen. Kerry last night at the second presidential debate in St. Louis, I had the feeling he whispered, "I hope you're not a fan of re-runs."

I had a feeling he whispered: "Landslide".
4 posted on 10/09/2004 9:45:35 AM PDT by stylin19a (Of all the things i have lost in my life, I miss my mind the most.)
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To: FairOpinion
The university provided dinner and asked them to pick steak or chicken. They were allowed to change their minds at dinnertime.

Well it isn't hard to figure out who is the steak and who is the chicken (pun intended).

5 posted on 10/09/2004 9:47:20 AM PDT by notpoliticallycorewrecked (Another military family for Bush;)
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To: FairOpinion

New tagline.


6 posted on 10/09/2004 9:47:59 AM PDT by EllaMinnow (On November 2, keep in mind what mattered most on 9-11.)
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To: FairOpinion

Thanks for posting a very well-stated article.


7 posted on 10/09/2004 9:48:28 AM PDT by rj45mis
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To: stylin19a
When President Bush shook hands with Sen. Kerry last night at the second presidential debate in St. Louis, I had the feeling he whispered, "I hope you're not a fan of re-runs."

I wish he had whispered "Hope you brought crutches, Botox-Boy. 'Cause I'm about to put your skinny white butt in a sling".

8 posted on 10/09/2004 9:52:02 AM PDT by woofer
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To: FairOpinion

There are no undecided right now. And if there are, they won't vote.


9 posted on 10/09/2004 9:52:52 AM PDT by Vinomori
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To: JesseJane

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10 posted on 10/09/2004 9:58:34 AM PDT by JesseJane (~On November 2, keep in mind what mattered most on 9-11.~)
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To: FairOpinion
A 22-year-old poli-sci major said she still “doesn’t know” whether to vote for Bush or Kerry and being wooed makes her feel “special.”

BWAHAHAHAHA!!! poli-sci MAJOR no less. "What a maroon...what a ignoranimus".

Stupid people spend money to get stupider.

FMCDH(BITS)

11 posted on 10/09/2004 10:06:54 AM PDT by nothingnew (KERRY: "If at first you don't deceive, lie, lie again!")
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To: FairOpinion
It may seem obvious that staying on offense is important in the closing days of a campaign.

As Rush Limbaugh says, the only purpose of a prevent defense is to prevent you from winning.

12 posted on 10/09/2004 10:12:30 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("Ich glaube, du hast in die hosen geschissen!")
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To: FairOpinion

Never before has a man with so many "plans"on so many subjects ever shown less dedication to his job than John sKerry.


13 posted on 10/09/2004 10:15:43 AM PDT by jpl (You can run, but you can't hide your record Kerry!)
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To: Vinomori
There are no undecided right now. And if there are, they won't vote.

Amen. This whole undecided thing this late in the game in a race that has been so divisive is ludicrous. The people who are going to vote have already made up their minds. If you haven't found a reason to support a candidate by now, you aren't going to find one on Nov. 2.

14 posted on 10/09/2004 10:26:14 AM PDT by Novel
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To: FairOpinion

Kerry voted AGAINST -- the Gulf War in 1991. When, we had all the World Allies on our side. And, (the infamous now,) UN's "approval". And, after Saddam Hussein had invaded another country, Kuwait. Hard to believe. But it is true. I am so proud of Pres. Bush!


15 posted on 10/09/2004 10:30:45 AM PDT by onyx eyes (............just act normal........)
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To: FairOpinion

Bill Kristol, Mort Kondrakie, and even Fred Barnes (who called it a draw?) have woke up this morning and realized that they must have had their head up their a** last night, Because the rest of the world saw the Timber Company Tycoon mop up last night.


16 posted on 10/09/2004 10:40:51 AM PDT by ALWAYSWELDING
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To: All

Does anyone remember a thread last night about how W thinks better on his feet. He is a better debater when he can walk and talk at the same time? I forgot to ping it and want to read it again. Thanks for the help.


17 posted on 10/09/2004 10:42:58 AM PDT by spotbust1 (Gun control is when you use both hands.)
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To: FairOpinion

Most of the people who died on 9-11 had a job with health care and retirement benefits. The air at ground zero became an environmental disaster within seconds. A strong economy depends on keeping commercial airline ballistic missiles from being launched into Wall Street. Social security is more than an adequate pension; it requires living long enough to retire. “No Child Left Behind” has taken on special meaning with the news that federal agents have advised school district officials in Georgia, Florida, Michigan, New Jersey, Oregon and California that al Qaeda may have American children in their cross-hairs. The most important thing isn’t finding WMDs in Iraq—it’s not finding them here.

On November 2, keep in mind what mattered most on 9-11.



Someone should put this in an ad..The BEST


18 posted on 10/09/2004 11:02:48 AM PDT by t2buckeye
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To: t2buckeye

You are right. The closing paragraph really captures the main point: Terrorism is THE issue in this election.


19 posted on 10/09/2004 11:05:32 AM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: notpoliticallycorewrecked
Well it isn't hard to figure out who is the steak and who is the chicken (pun intended).

ha ha ha :o)

20 posted on 10/09/2004 11:14:38 AM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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