Posted on 10/08/2004 8:33:14 PM PDT by Enlightiator
Kerry is winning the online polls on the debate by such a huge margin, as with the last debate, that its quite obvious that poll spamming by www.DemocratsUnderground.com isn't the cause. In the past, Freerepublic provided online poll links, DU provided online poll links, and it was usually a spirited but decent contest.
Tonights online polls, as with the last debate, indicate that there are certainly far more sophisticated techniques being used to falsely inflate the Kerry vote than DU's normal multiple voting techniques. I have watched CNN and MSNBC go dramatically into a huge (and unbelievable) lead in only minutes. Automated voting scripts are the only thing that would cause such an imbalance so quickly. Its been done before by computer hacks:
Fixing Polls: An Open Letter to MSNBC.com
Looks like Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe has the good fortune to have some real good computer support working the case for Kerry's online polls. Well, Terry did send an email request for "voters," he didn't say they had to be human.
My bank does this, also.
can't be blocked. each time they visit the site, it comes from a different phony IP, browser type and the cookie is dumped for a new one.If there's a Democrat spammer out there, they don't need to use phony IPs. They use a bunch of trojan'd PCs. The spamming community has 100s of thousands of captured PCs, if not millions. I can prove the 100s of thousands, I believe the millions as those clever devils are very good at flying under the radar ... ( SPF or sender-permitted-from can come none too soon).
Since the vote is from a real pc, and using a good simulation of IE or Moziila, the only thing the webmaster might notice is some number of IPs voting twice.
If you haven't been careful, you might have been one of the Kerry voters.
My son, the computer science major, told me of a compsci class that assigns the task of writing a remote electronic voting system. The correct answer the prof is looking for is that it can't be done securely.
However, there are improvements that could be made to the current (laughable) system.
Some web sales sites are presenting a proof-of-homo-sapiens test. They present a graphic that has text that is not easily computer read. You have to type in the text to prove you are not an automated shopper script trying to find & undercut the price.
Unfortunately, the current web polls are laughable as they only work for a moral group of people. (Reminding you of various remarks by the founding fathers?) And it is clear that followers of Marx and Gramsci won't let morals get in their way.
Yep, another instance of the democrats messing up traditional ways of politicing. When the democrats get involved, you can't believe anything anymore.
If you haven't been careful, you might have been one of the Kerry voters.
Then, by definition, you've been careful. I'm on the MicroSloth part of a dual-boot MS/RedHat system myself. The VPN/ipsec software doesn't work so well on the linux side when I need to work from home.
In addition to the polls, the Kerry moonbats have also been out in force at FR and in the response sections of conservative blogs. Although some get points for "nuance" as disguised "swing voters," who raise "principled" questions, many more are so illiterate or foul-mouthed that their deranged comments are actually comic relief.
The DNC obviously believes they can defeat facts with stink bombs. A serious miscalculation.
Online polls are dead. RIP.
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That surely must make Kerry and his campaign happy to know that responses were staged. No wonder he looks droopy.
Dress rehearsal for Nov. 2 ???
As tactics go, these are acts of desperation, gimmickry. Kerry is trying to get more of his voters to go to the polls for him by creating the impression that he is a winning candidate. This is despite the fact that the press has been rooting for him since the primaries, Bush's bad news, and all of his pie-in-the-sky promises. Pinging online polls might have a little impact, but the written or spoken word ought to do much more. At best, taking a poll is like interrogating the Oracle of Delphi. Be careful what you ask, and ask as many questions as possible, or else you'll get burned.
Has every parent noticed that a child's instinct, yes every child, is to win? By cheating if necessary?
Further, has every adult noticed that "peer" pressure is the main cause of older children and teenagers doing the most stupid things, including vying for the Darwin Award?
Well, there you have it.
When a significant number of adults engage in arrested juvenile behavior, and we react to it emotionally, we can expect more of the same. I just ignore polls: the adult version of "Look at me! mommy! Look at me! I'm on the winning side!"
Children poll.
Adults Vote.
Which jerk, specifically?
Fortunately, most adults know that propaganda works only on the weak, the IQ-challenged, the ignorant. As long as they are not in a position to count the votes, I'm happy.
I will not waste more time on polls. I will put out signs, persuade others to vote and make sure I get to the voting booth if I have to drag myself there.
If they manage fraud successfuly, I have no problem with the shooting war that follows.
What are these, exactly? I am neither a novice nor a geek, but these terms are new to me. They sound promising.
I have always been a fan of somehow deliberately slowing down the email process. That gives us a choice: fast or secure? Clean? or spam? Ironically, the penny per email concept makes more and more sense. Irritating but foolproof. Even DUmmies will not invest $100 on 10,000 phony votes regularly.
You spelled "posterity" wrong.
Not you, the one who had his post removed
The talks ended in disagreement on the use of patent-encumbered stuff from MS.
It looks like SPF might be deployed, as a de-facto standard, as AOL & other ISPs want to do it.
What SPF does is have every domain owner publish those machines allowed to send mail on behalf of the domain.
Sites enforcing SPF will accept mail from sombody@aol.com only from the aol.com mail servers. Currently, anybody can send mail purporting to be from aol.com.
This will greatly magnify the effectiveness of accepting mail only from those in your address book, as you can be more (but not totally) sure that the from address is correct.
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