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Demographic Obstacle for GOP
Rush Limbaugh ^ | 10/4/04 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 10/06/2004 11:59:50 AM PDT by MarlboroRed

But the thing to me, folks, is this election shouldn't even be close right now. The reason that it is close, they're reasons that have to do with things that, you know, Karl Rove and George W. Bush really don't have all that much to say about or control over. I mean demographics -- if we can be honest here for a second -- demographics are going to make it increasingly more difficult for Republicans to win in the future if things don't change as they are now. Many people who are voting have no context. I've got story after story today of voter fraud, registration fraud in Franklin County, Ohio. There are more registered voters than the Census Bureau says are eligible. We got a story out of Tampa today in the St. Petersburg Times about how a group that was formed in the 1970s, you may have heard of them, ACORN, is out trying to register voters two and three times and they've been caught in the act. You've got the Kerry campaign demanding 6,000 lawyers at these polling places but they will not allow Republican lawyers to be sitting side by side. But one of our problems here is that some of the people voting have no context today. They're just being registered and sent out there with marching orders essentially; World War II generation is dying off. We have people here because of the open border policy. We have people who have not assimilated into our culture. The liberal propaganda resonates with many of them, at least, a large number of them, maybe a growing number of them, because of the "we'll do everything for you" propaganda that liberals are known for.

I'm not trying to be defeatist. I don't want anybody to misunderstand. I just want you to know what the obstacles are here. Before everybody starts dumping on Bush and Rove and everybody else totally, there are some things that you have to understand. We still have history taught by the left in academia. The media has been teaching history for a long time and, you know, some inroads are being made there, tremendous inroads are being made. Progress is taking place but I want to be realistic about some of the obstacles that we still face. You can't have all this history taught by the left, including the media and expect to make huge, huge inroads. This is an election, maybe the first of its kind, with such dramatic demographic changes. And these demographic changes, as long as we don't do something about immigration, are going to continue.

Bush, I hate to say this -- but I mean you know this has been one of my bugaboos since 2000 -- on the domestic side Bush has spent like a liberal. He has spent and spent and spent and spent and spent. But, his problem is he dares to defend his country. So the fact that he dares to defend his country cancels out all the so-called "good," he's doing by spending like a liberal. And I think as I look back at the debate, one little comment about it, as you look back at Bush in that first debate, the last half of that debate, first half I'm telling you was a different story than the last half. There was a big momentum shift, but you look back at the second half of that debate, I think what you saw is the new tone. Maybe even a little bit prevent defense. Don't be mean. Let's not attack, let's not make people dislike us. Let's not get people angry at us and so forth. Of course just the opposite was called for, and just the opposite was what was necessary.

So, you know, I mean one of the examples of this demographic shift I can give you, just so you'll know, I'll give you an illustration. Orange County, California. Orange County always was relied on to offset the Democrat liberal dominance of Los Angeles. But now over 50% of Orange County is minority and immigrant and most of them vote Democrat, most of the new arrivals. The point is that the Republicans, I'm looking long-term here just to give you something to think about, not just this election and not primarily this election, but long-term. The Republicans just cannot expect to keep winning if every election we have to write off California. If every election we have to write off New York, Illinois, and maybe soon Florida, if those states become states that we have to write off simply because of demographic shifts, then you can't expect to win. One of those states, some of those states, are eventually going to have to be mined and cultivated if consistent national victories are to take place.


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This is the single most important thing Limbaugh has said.

Not only do the demographic changes increasingly make life difficult for the averge American (by lowering wages and forcing people to flee from overcrowded and foreign neighborhoods), the changes will end forever any chance of a Republican being elected to National office. Now, if only we can get Bush to change his mind on immigration and pledge to enforce the law.

1 posted on 10/06/2004 11:59:51 AM PDT by MarlboroRed
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To: MarlboroRed

"the fact that he dares to defend his country cancels out all the so-called "good," he's doing by spending like a liberal."

astute observation. when will conservatives learn they will never get brownie points with liberals? why then do we try so hard to please them? and then we STILL have to fight like hell to have a two-term president? why can't someone just be an across the board, unapologetic conservative..let's take our chances with THAT agenda rather than trying to appease the absolutists on the other side are going to hate us no matter what! appeasement only discourages consrevatives! it doesn't win over liberals!!!!


2 posted on 10/06/2004 12:06:56 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: MarlboroRed
Now, if only we can get Bush to change his mind on immigration and pledge to enforce the law

Sadly, I don't believe that this is ever going to happen.

Four years from now, it will be politically impossible to enforce immigration laws.

3 posted on 10/06/2004 12:07:13 PM PDT by skip_intro (I'm a man...I can change...If I have to...I guess)
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To: MarlboroRed

Well, well, well, Limbaugh finally says what he has not allowed so called "seminar callers" to say for years about the immigration isue. The way I have seen it, most immigration in the last 20 years has been driven by demands of business, bioth big and small, for cheap labor at all and any cost, and sadly Neo-Con pundits have tried to shovel down the nonsense that most immigrants are natural conservatives, while the election results say otherwise. As others have said here on FR, the open border policy is national suicide.


4 posted on 10/06/2004 12:07:56 PM PDT by RFT1
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To: MarlboroRed

Well, he is correct, but this piece doesn't address the problems. The problems are the massive illegal immigration, the open borders, and the complete lack of assimilation by poor immigrants voting for liberals who would bankrupt the country and strip our defenses to get their votes. We need answers to those problems, politicians who will actually do something about them, something firm. The problems we already know.


5 posted on 10/06/2004 12:08:47 PM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: MarlboroRed

I wouldn't expect much response on this thread. Most people know this is true, but are in denial. It is easier not to think about this because there is nothing that can be done about it at this point.


6 posted on 10/06/2004 12:09:31 PM PDT by monday
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To: MarlboroRed
The key is to remove the very small but vocal racists from the Republican party so that Hispanics don't perceive us to be their enemies.

It took us decades to purge the party of the KKK types but we still haven't fully recovered the trust of the black community.

Ridding the party of Buchanan was just a first step.

7 posted on 10/06/2004 12:09:50 PM PDT by bayourod (Even security moms should now know that you can't lead while waffling and calling Iraq the wrong war)
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To: MarlboroRed

 

Tell the House Leadership to Say NO to White House Pressure and Enact 9/11 Reform
Contact Speaker Hastert and Majority Leader DeLay
 
In an act of utter hypocrisy President Bush is quietly trying to strip the homeland security-related immigration enforcement and document security provisions from the House leadership bill, H.R. 10, to implement the 9/11 Commission recommendations. He is doing this even as he travels the country telling voters how committed he is to protecting homeland security.

In addition to the White House, House Democrats are pressing hard to get these key recommendations of the 9/11 commission removed from the bill. Your help is desperately needed now. With Congress poised to adjourn for the elections on Friday, time is short. Take the actions described below to urge the House Leadership to hold the line against White House and Democrat demands to gut the legislation implementing the 9/11 commission's recommendations.

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This past Saturday, the Bush Administration sent his White House lobbyists to the Hill telling the House Leadership to remove the immigration enforcement and document security provisions of H.R.10. Earlier last week, during committee consideration, several Democrats unsuccessfully offered amendments to water down or completely remove these provisions.

Tonight House Republicans will meet to decide whether to take H.R. 10 to the floor with or without the immigration provisions the White House opposes. The House will be debating H.R.10 beginning on Wednesday, and the open borders advocates will undoubtedly continue to push for the removal of these important provisions.

With your help, we will pound the House leaders with faxes and phone calls, urging them not to buckle under White House pressure by removing these provisions. If we win this one, and the immigration provisions make it through a House/Senate conference, we will score a major victory for immigration reform!
 

8 posted on 10/06/2004 12:09:51 PM PDT by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: ConservativeDude
Absolutely. A true conservative agenda would NOT BE REJECTED, whether it's shutting down the idiot spending on social programs that do no good to anyone but their benefactors or shutting down our borders to illegal immigrants and dramatically reducing legal immigration.

When will conservatives ever learn this? People are begging for someone who treats them like adults, begging a return to the sort of America they grew up in, something they can recognize.

9 posted on 10/06/2004 12:09:52 PM PDT by MarlboroRed
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To: MarlboroRed

Demographic shifts are important, but it doesn't change the fact that the Dems field lousy candidates. If this were not the case, Rudy couldn't have won in NYC; Pataki couldn't have won in NY State; and Schwarzenegger...you get the idea.


10 posted on 10/06/2004 12:11:46 PM PDT by Tallguy (If the Kerry campaign implodes any further, they'll reach the point of "singularity" by election day)
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To: MarlboroRed
the changes will end forever any chance of a Republican being elected to National office

Well, after a couple more lection cycles it won't make much diffrence. The country, as we know it, will cease to exist.

11 posted on 10/06/2004 12:12:39 PM PDT by riri
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To: skip_intro
I don't buy this. During the Depression we swept away the illegals from California and the Southwest. Eisenhower had operation "Wetback", which once again rid us of the illegals that had come here for work during WWII.

It simply takes will. Americans will support it.

12 posted on 10/06/2004 12:13:27 PM PDT by MarlboroRed
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To: MarlboroRed

You might want to mention that Kerry et al are for TOTAL relaxation of immigration rules.

And also that the spending under the multiple Kerry/Edwards plans (if they in fact do exist) will be tri-fold what is being spent now.



13 posted on 10/06/2004 12:13:37 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: MarlboroRed

If Rush is starting to talk about this, I suspect it is finally starting to sink in in the establishment, at least to some minimal degree.


14 posted on 10/06/2004 12:14:15 PM PDT by B Knotts ("John Kerry, who says he doesn't like outsourcing, wants to outsource our national security.")
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To: MarlboroRed

This assumes that people's political affiliation is unrelated to their self interest, and that the self interests of immigrants will always center around welfare.

We could have a pendelum swing, but I doubt if it will be permanent. Even Blacks are not automatically democrats. I see evidence that African Americans are getting tired of the victim image. It's not particularly manly.


15 posted on 10/06/2004 12:14:35 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: MarlboroRed

The population is always changing. Right now the Republicas are doing better than I don't know when in terms of % of GOP vs. DEM. If the population is becoming more minority based, the GOP will have to come up with policies that attract them, or package their policies in such a way that attracts them.

Bush lost the Hispanic vote something like 61 to 32 (don't remember actual numbers, but a huge difference); now he's behind in the Hispanic vote by 9. So it is possible for the GOP to make inroads in minority populations. A similar improvement, and Hispanice vote would be in favor of the Republicas, so the more Hispanics that voted, the better!

I don't buy the notion that the Republic party is doomed to not win a national election.


16 posted on 10/06/2004 12:15:27 PM PDT by TomEwall
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To: MarlboroRed

The future is written in every free-lunch room - all the stools are on one side of the counter.


17 posted on 10/06/2004 12:16:12 PM PDT by Old Professer (Fear is the fountain of hostility.)
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To: MarlboroRed

"The Republicans just cannot expect to keep winning if every election we have to write off California."

Hey Rush, Arnie IS a Republican!


18 posted on 10/06/2004 12:16:15 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (MAKE SURE YOU ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND VOTE Nov 2nd!)
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To: MarlboroRed; All

"Now, if only we can get Bush to change his mind on immigration and pledge to enforce the law."

It appears the republican congress has awoken.


Oct. 5, 2004, Lou Dobbs Tonight (partial transcript)
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DOBBS: The White House is demanding that the House Republican leadership strip the intelligence reform bill of tough new restrictions on illegal aliens and border security.

Republican Congressman Roy Blunt is the majority whip. He is the second most powerful Republican in the House of Representatives and says the immigration reforms will remain in the legislation, despite what the White House is demanding.


We thank you both for being with us. Before we begin, let me show you, point out to you, as you well know, and to our viewers who may not be as familiar the provisions that we're discussing here tonight in the intelligence reform legislation.

The first element, of course, is what is the crackdown on driver's licenses on illegal aliens. The White House wants that stripped out, wants to be able to make it easier to deport illegal aliens, those who cross our borders illegally, and to limit the use of foreign consular I.D. cards. That is, such cards as the matricula consular of Mexico, other consular I.D. cards for identification within this country.

Again, thank you both for being here.

Let me begin with you, Congressman Blunt. You are prepared to resist the White House on their demands to weaken the border security provisions of the immigration -- of the intelligence reform legislation?

REP. ROY BLUNT (R), MAJORITY WHIP: Well, we think the border security provisions are important provisions. They're the one thing that the 9/11 commission called for that didn't make it in the Senate bill in any way. I think they make total sense. They're absolutely defensible. For every one of those provisions, there is some egregious case in recent years where someone who really has done great damage to our society could have been stopped if these provisions would have been in place and would have been enforced.

We are working with White House to see if they've got some suggested changes that we might add to this legislation to make them more comfortable in a couple areas. But we intend to go forward with these provisions that, again, the 9/11 commission created the basis for in their report.

BLUNT: I might also point out, we were with -- we had some of the 9/11 families here this morning, and they were all to a person supportive of these provisions.

In fact, they said that -- the 9/11 families that they couldn't find any individual in the families who oppose these provisions, but they were being told just what my good friend Jane just said, that somehow they're poison pills designed to kill this legislation.

These are in this legislation designed to stop terrorists and terrorism. We -- we think they're totally reasonable, the idea that we would have greater border security. We're not requiring visas from Canada and Mexico, but we are requiring specific documents that have to be approved. And, other than that, you have to have a passport to get in and out of the country.

That's totally appropriate, I think.

BLUNT: Oh, I think this is not anti-immigrant. In fact, legal immigrants more than any other group want to be sure the law's enforced. They have gone through the process of the law to get here. They want to be protected from people who have come into the country without going through that same legal process. That's all really these are designed to do, and, Lou, you know how important that is.

-snip-

full transcript at: http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0410/05/ldt.01.html


19 posted on 10/06/2004 12:17:03 PM PDT by AuntB ("Go count your blessings, and then complain to me"...MY Grandma!)
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To: KellyAdmirer
" The problems are the massive illegal immigration, the open borders, and "

Actually, the problem is the socialist welfare state that we have established in this country. If it were constitutionally illegal for people to vote themselves benefits or for politicians to buy votes by raising taxes, we would not have the massive illegal immigration we have now.

You can't blame illegal aliens for taking advantage of benefits that corrupt politicians make available to them. They are only acting according to human nature and you or I would do the same if we were in their shoes.
20 posted on 10/06/2004 12:17:08 PM PDT by monday
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