[beaversmom]

ping

[goldstategop]

Boooooooooooooring. I know its a great Nytol for insomniacs. BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

[nutmeg]

bttt

[OKIEDOC]

I don't understand Bush not doing a better job of defending his position. God knows that Kerry gave him plenty of opportunities to blow him out of the water. He should have responded to Kerry when he said the first thing he would do was ax the bunker busting nuclear bombs. I thought Bush did lousy but after seeing the debate again I think Kerry did himself no favors. No matter how slick Kerry was and how badly he beat Bush with words, in truth they were just fancy words.

[Lancey Howard]

Kerry showed confidence in his positions while Bush seemed to say too many things in a tone of voice that silently stressed, "Why won't you BELIEVE me?" Bush sounded frustrated a few times, and Kerry never did, not once. That means Kerry controlled the tenor of the debate. He won on style points.

Kerry's substance, of course, was as vague and confused as ever but that doesn't count as much in these things.

[PJBlogger]

Can't sleep?
Tighten up the drawstrings on your jammies and FREEP these polls:

++ ONLINE POLLS ++



Allentown PA Morning Call: http://www.mcall.com

American Research Group: http://www.americanresearchgroup.com/debatei

AOL News: http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/elections/article.adp?id=200...

Asheville Citizen-Times: http://www.citizen-times.com (Right column)

BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3703756.stm

Boston Globe: http://www.boston.com (Look for "SURVEY: Who did better in the debate?")

CBS News: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/08/politics/main...

CNBC: http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/CNBCTV/Promos/P9595...

CNN: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004

Denver Channel: http://www.thedenverchannel.com/index.html (Look for "Survey: Who Won The Debate?")

Hampton Roads: http://home.hamptonroads.com/poll/question.cfm?poll=338...

Houston Chronicle: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/politics/28241...

KATC3 Lafayette: http://www.katc.com

Kansas City Channel: http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/index.html (Look for "Survey: Who Won The Debate?")

KDKA Pittsburgh: http://kdka.com/?can_view=275003241

KIRO7 Seattle: http://www.kirotv.com/index.html

KOTV Tulsa: http://www.kotv.com/main/home/main.asp (Right column "Hotbutton")

KSDK St. Louis: http://www.ksdk.com/includes/poll.aspx

KYW Philadephia: http://www.kyw.com

LA Times: http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/2004/la-na-debate1...

Milwaukee Channel: http://www.themilwaukeechannel.com/index.html (Look for "Survey: Who won the Debate?")

Minnesota Star Tribune: http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/5008889.html

MSNBC: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6123733

MSNBC Horserace: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6028629

Ms. Magazine: http://www.msmagazine.com/debate_poll.asp

My San Antonio: http://www.mysanantonio.com (Halfway down on left "Cast your vote")

NBC10 Philadelphia: http://www.nbc10.com/news/3692935/detail.html

NBC25 Hagerstown MD: http://nbc25.com/webpoll.asp

NBC4 Washington DC: http://www.nbc4.com/index.html (Look for "Survey: Who won the Debate?")

NBC5 Cincinnati: http://www.channelcincinnati.com/index.html (Look for "Survey: Who Won The Debate?")

NBC5 Dallas-Fort Worth: http://www.nbc5i.com/index.html (Look for "Survey: Who Won The Debate?")

NBC6 South Florida: http://www.nbc6.net/index.html (Look for "Survey: Who Won The Debate?")

New Orleans Channel: http://www.theneworleanschannel.com/index.html (Look for "Survey: Who Won The Debate?")

News Central: http://www.newscentral.tv

Newsday: http://www.newsday.com (Look for "Poll: Rate the candidates")

NewsNet5 Cleveland: http://www.newsnet5.com/index.html (Look for "Survey: Who Won The Debate?")

Orlando Sentinel: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/elections/orl-bk-pr...

PBS: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/vote2004/debates/ballot.htm...

Philly.com: http://www.nbc10.com/news/3692935/detail.html

Pittsburgh Channel: http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/index.html

Rapid City Journal: http://www.rapidcityjournal.com (left column)

Sun-Sentinel: http://www.sun-sentinel.com (right column)

Tampa Bay 10 News: http://www.tampabays10.com

Time: http://www.time.com/time (Right side)

Wall St. Journal: http://discussions.wsj.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=wsjv...

WESH2 Orlando: http://www.wesh.com/politics/index.html (Look for "Survey: Who Won The Debate?")

WFTV9 Orlando: http://www.wftv.com/index.html (Look for "Survey: Who Won The Debate?")

WGAL Harrisburg PA: http://www.thewgalchannel.com/index.html (Look for "Survey: Who Won The Debate?")

WHOTV Des Moines: http://whotv.com (Left side of page)

Wilmington DE News Journal: http://www.delawareonline.com/newsjournal

Winston-Salem Journal: http://www.journalnow.com (Left column)

WRAL Raleigh-Durham: http://www.wral.com/index.html

WTRF West Virginia: http://www.wtrf.com

WXYZ Detroit: http://www.detnow.com/wxyz/poll/0,2132,WXYZ_15924_54286...

[EaglesUpForever]

"I'm not a compulsive liar, I went to Treblinka in my time machine..."

[GSWarrior]

I'd like to see Laura Bush and Mrs. Heinz-Kerry debate.

[FesterUSMC]

Here is a wesbite to Treblinka

Treblinka

1,700 stones set in concrete in a circle form a symbolic cemetery

Front of stone monument at Treblinka symbolic graveyard

Memorial stones of basalt recreate pits where bodies were burned

[SpaceBar]

I guess while we're splitting hairs, Treblinka wasn't a concentration camp at all, it was a death or more properly a liquidation camp. One of several under Operation Reinhard. There were no facilities for any longterm detainment of prisoners except for staff and forced laborers. Hardly more than a rail spur, makeshift officers quarters for the SS, undressing rooms and property "claim" areas, a secured sunken ditch walkway to the gassing facilities known as "the shute" and corpse disposal areas, all surrounded by barbed wire concealed with tree boughs.

[Nosterrex]

I think that it's too early to tell what affect the debate will have on the election polls. I saw a couple good sound bites to use against Kerry, and I'm sure that the GOP has it's film editors going full speed ahead. I think that the term, "global testing," will be about the only thing remembered from this debate in a few days.

[NYCVirago]

That humanizing moment then got a little cloying when Bush started talking about the Kerry and Bush daughters, but it was the kind of thing that can deepen precisely the sense that the president knows and cares about ordinary people.

Podhoretz missed the telling thing about this. After Bush said nice things about Kerry, all Kerry could say was that he'd chuckled at some of the twins' comments. Very condescending and rude.