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THE AMERICAN SYSTEM VS. BRITISH FREE TRADE LOOTING
American Almanac ^ | 1995 | Marcia Merry-Baker and Anton Chaitkin

Posted on 09/27/2004 4:16:06 PM PDT by Destro

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To: guitfiddlist

"Who needs buggy whip industries like cars, computers, consumer electronics, airliners, apparel, furniture, and software development? We'll let ignorant third-world losers do that low-tech stuff. We're going to make the leap into space-age technologies such as nanotechnology, Mars exploration, and genetic engineering. There's something wrong with the Monster Board right now, since it doesn't show the millions of jobs in these industries, but there-a-comin'...ain't noooooo doubt about it."


Or if not those jobs, we can all retrain to do other jobs that they can't export, like plumbing, bricklaying, carpentry, and similar high-paid trades jobs that there's a big demand for, right? Except that when the middle class of manufacturing and knowledge workers has been destroyed, just how much demand will there be for those services anymore? Sure, the ultra-rich who control those companies shipping jobs off to the third world will need some (possibly very well paid) people to do those things for them, but not enough to employ everyone.

Of course, who exactly is going to purchase all those consumer goods, software and services produced in the third world once the middle class has been destroyed, I don't know. Have the globalists that run those industries thought that far ahead? Maybe they don't really care, as long as they can make some money now and be part of the ruling class in this coming world.

Or maybe it'll all work out, somehow, with new industries and technologies and rising wages and standards of living in India and China. Maybe we'll all be better off in the end - I dunno, and I'm not sure anyone else is prescient enough to see what the future holds, either.


161 posted on 09/28/2004 11:05:31 AM PDT by -YYZ-
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To: Poohbah

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1229420/posts

Here, The president's campaign predicted more dead soldiers if Kerry elected.. Best get your fingers going again with the homeland security office. The president just made a threat. LOL. You do have their phone number, right? Do you need me to give it to you?


162 posted on 09/28/2004 11:33:34 AM PDT by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Right - so on balance we're worse off because the expense of the "Expensive items" has gone through the roof, while the "cheap" items have gotten a little cheaper. That would be the difference between the local market and the foreign market. While Our wages collapse, property and transportation are being inflated... right out of our reach.


163 posted on 09/28/2004 11:36:10 AM PDT by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: Havoc; hchutch; 1rudeboy; Toddsterpatriot
If a President says it, that's one thing. If a private citizen says that the President will be forced to suspend habeas corpus, that raised the question of who would be doing the forcing. Might the dipwad making the statement be one of the group in question?

Got an appointment to talk to DHS. They're very interested, based on what the gentleman I talked to said over the phone.

164 posted on 09/28/2004 11:37:24 AM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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To: ninenot

I'll stick with the Chicago School. It has won because its arguments are the most economically sound.

As an aside, I note that the Nobel Prize in Economics has been awarded for 34 years. In that time, 22 Nobel Laureates have come from the University of Chicago.

Free trade, like it or not, is here to stay. It's not going anywhere.


165 posted on 09/28/2004 11:38:18 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: Poohbah

Good, make sure to show him the thread now. Wouldn't want to have you arrested for false informing.


166 posted on 09/28/2004 11:43:38 AM PDT by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: ninenot
I don't know about the situation in England, but there's no question that they did lose 'the Empire on which the sun never sets' for SOME reason, and the article is persuasive, if not convincing. Losing an entire Empire takes more than just economic incompetence...

The cost of maintaining an empire that covered, at its height, 25% of the Earth's surface, is staggeringly high. Witness the problems of the United States right now, and it essentially only has two colonies to support--Iraq and (arguably) Afghanistan.

What is actually remarkable, frankly, was that the British economic twin-pillars of free banking and free markets were able to sustain such an enormous Empire as long as it did.

167 posted on 09/28/2004 11:44:25 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: Destro
Here the mechanic of today is the manufacturer of a few years hence. Under such conditions, free trade can have no abiding place here."

The glaring Truth that all Free Traitors like to overlook. Once the basic foundation of an industry is destroyed, the technological advancement of that industry becomes impossible because the skill sets and knowledge base is gone. It's like trying to build state of the art Aircraft in a nation that has few engineers, scientists and no manufacturing infrastructure.

168 posted on 09/28/2004 11:51:40 AM PDT by WRhine
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To: Havoc; hchutch; 1rudeboy; Toddsterpatriot

Hey, FReepers have had uncomfortable interviews with the Secret Service for the same sort of thing you said.


169 posted on 09/28/2004 11:55:16 AM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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To: Poohbah; Havoc

If Havoc's post excites interest from HomSec, then we know with certainty that Jim Sensenbrenner was correct when he OPPOSED the bill (and Sensenbrenner has a 95%+ ACU rating.)

FR is filled with conservatives. Chesterton defined conservatives as those 'who are eternal rebels' for good reason: liberal-Governmentism has now reached the brink of oppression.

Ask anybody who lives west of the Mississippi about Big Gummint.


170 posted on 09/28/2004 12:02:24 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Poohbah

Right. Just as I suspected, tied at the hip to 1rude and toddster. Who'd have guessed. Keep talking, the more you try to excuse yourself of what you're doing the deeper your hole. Like I said, be sure to give them a copy of the whole thread. Cause when you false inform based on a vendetta, it's still illegal. Wouldn't want you to go to jail or anything. If you simply show yourself a moron, they might give you a pass.


171 posted on 09/28/2004 12:05:41 PM PDT by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: Havoc; hchutch; 1rudeboy; Toddsterpatriot
Right. Just as I suspected, tied at the hip to 1rude and toddster. Who'd have guessed. Keep talking, the more you try to excuse yourself of what you're doing the deeper your hole. Like I said, be sure to give them a copy of the whole thread. Cause when you false inform based on a vendetta, it's still illegal.

I've already emailed him a link, pointed out my posts, and pointed out yours. That's what got him excited. Apparently, a LOT of leftists are making similar statements.

Wouldn't want you to go to jail or anything. If you simply show yourself a moron, they might give you a pass.

Well, in that event, you're safe as can be. I'll be sure to pass that along.

172 posted on 09/28/2004 12:08:24 PM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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To: ninenot

I ain't too worried about Poobah, The thread pretty much speaks for itself in context. So do Poobah's own statements trying to justify what he's doing by other than what I've actually said or was intended. And being tied at the hip to the character assassins he just pinged, I've no doubt as to intent.


173 posted on 09/28/2004 12:08:33 PM PDT by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: Poohbah
I've already emailed him a link, pointed out my posts, and pointed out yours. That's what got him excited. Apparently, a LOT of leftists are making similar statements.

Ah, good. You were selective in what you provided. Excellent. Thank you thank you thank you. Advice.. if you aren't trying to pull my chain, get a lawyer.

174 posted on 09/28/2004 12:18:10 PM PDT by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: Havoc
"Right - so on balance we're worse off because the expense of the "Expensive items" has gone through the roof, while the "cheap" items have gotten a little cheaper. That would be the difference between the local market and the foreign market. While Our wages collapse, property and transportation are being inflated... right out of our reach."

No you are worse off. I am much better off because I have adapted to the new conditions.

I make less money now as far as wages but I have learned to handle money better in the process.

I have no house payment (Paid in full) no car payment Paid in full cash) I rarely go in to debt for things save for a few electronic items that I had the cash for but took advantage of a 0% interest rate to buy on 18 months.

I have many friends who play the same game you do. They decry high prices and low wages but refuse to deal with it.

They purchase brand new 40K SUVs and buy 250K houses and wonder why they can't make a wage to pay for them.

They buy four dollar coffees and pay for nine dollar movie tickets and wonder why they have no money.

They go to bars and pay for eight dollar drinks and have nothing to show for it Monday morning except for a hangover.

BTW cheaper items getting a "Little" Cheaper?

In 1983 I was employed at a local electronics home furnishing store. We sold VCRS at $299.00 as fast as we could get them. A 32 inch TV went for $1300.00.

I can buy a DVD recorder right now was we speak for $149.95 at Wal-Mart. A 36 inch Stereo TV goes for $495.00. My first real computer cost me over thousand bucks. I now have Palm that does everything it did. I paid $195.00 for it.

My Paycheck is less now than in 1985. I have more Money because I learned what to do with it. If you are moaning about a job not paying you enough you are wasting precious time and resources. Learn how to handle money and figure out how to make you money make you more money. Losers work for money winners make money work for them.

175 posted on 09/28/2004 12:24:58 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: Havoc; 1rudeboy; Toddsterpatriot; hchutch

Hey, you said, "If you simply show yourself a moron, they might give you a pass."

You're safe, dude!


176 posted on 09/28/2004 12:27:17 PM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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To: Poohbah

Maybe he can tutor the rest of the convicts in math.


177 posted on 09/28/2004 12:32:09 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Hey, look at me, I'm a math major.)
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To: Poohbah

Like I said, if you made the call, hire an attourney. You'll need him.


178 posted on 09/28/2004 12:32:15 PM PDT by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Maybe you might wish to join him.


179 posted on 09/28/2004 12:33:24 PM PDT by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade.)
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To: Havoc; Toddsterpatriot; hchutch; 1rudeboy
Like I said, if you made the call, hire an attourney. You'll need him.

The last threat of the guy who realizes he's hosed: "I'LL SUE!"

John Edwards is going to be looking for work Nov. 3rd.

180 posted on 09/28/2004 12:34:14 PM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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