Posted on 09/27/2004 4:16:06 PM PDT by Destro
Uh yeah..whatever. Anyway, keep up the good work!
I will. Say hello to your comrades for me.
Oh, I will...beginning with the Jet Blue crew that will take me on my first leg.
I seriously doubt that sugar tarriffs were responsible for all those moves. Those companies are using the tarriffs as an excuse to move to cheap labor.
This is not the case at all; the reason being is productivity is key.
If this were true, then no one would ever leave the U.S. since we are the most productive nation on the planet. Per the BLS.
They don't have ths stats for places like Mexico and Argentina but I think it's safe to say that we far outproduce them. So, to say that the cost of sugar tarriffs offset and in fact make it more profitable to move to places like Argentina and Mexico and disregard the labor cost savings is disingenous.
Since when is Canada a cheap labor country, particularly with their taxation?
If this were true, then no one would ever leave the U.S. since we are the most productive nation on the planet. Per the BLS.
You're elegantly proving my point - the benefits of productivity are being blunted by the over-regulation and taxation that the Democrats and Socialists put in. If those were eliminated, a lot fewer would go.
They don't have ths stats for places like Mexico and Argentina but I think it's safe to say that we far outproduce them. So, to say that the cost of sugar tarriffs offset and in fact make it more profitable to move to places like Argentina and Mexico and disregard the labor cost savings is disingenous.
Then why is Lifesavers moving to Canada?
Ivan
Have you noticed all the "exploitin' the worker" and "people are gonna rise up" and "suspending habius(sic)" you hear from some people. Very "Workers of the World" sounding.
Some of these guys seem to forget that trade is voluntary. If nobody wanted Chinese goods, WalMart would be full of Americcan goods.
If Mexicans couldn't do the work for less, only Americans would be doing the work. If EDS is making a mistake, they'll be punished by their customers. Oh yeah, that's already happening.
Luckily, someone who's a math major is very employable in the financial services industry. They can make the big bucks and never have to go to work at WalMart or Circuit City.
Thanks, bookmark for later.
Most of the most heavily polluted cities on this planet are in China. China is so free of regulation that toxic waste is just dumped into the river and whole villages downstream die of cancer. Is that what you want ? It is what free traders apparently do.
Yep, pumping money into the economy to prop it up through the education system while people are being put out on the street more and more. Seems they decided to experiment with the notion at first to see if they could get away with it. Now they're going great guns ahead trying to see who can screw more americans sooner for their stock price. Thing I'm waiting to see is corporatization of the higher education system so they can screw people more thoroughly.
It wouldn't be too likely to happen unless you could garauntee constant herds of their "cattle" running through it with no choice.. and they're trying to tell us there is no choice while hacking the floor of the gallows from beneath us.
Hmmm. Yes, let's continue to rely on the economics of the 19th century to make policy decisions.
Sorry, The Chicago School has won the day, thank God. Just accept it and move on. Nothing more to see here.
Hyperbole. And apparently you don't want to address the idea that unions, OSHA regulations, etc. might have gone too far, as a place to start. Rather, you'd prefer to go for the scare tactics of environmental apocalypse, which is characteristic of the left.
Ivan
I would expect that they worked out a deal with the Canadian government.
I did a search at the Kraft website and could find no report of their closing the plant in Michigan. It talks about closing the Lifesavers plant in LifeSavers candy production will move from Barquisimeto, Venezuela to San Jose, Costa Rica;
Believing a corporate shill is like believing a politician.
How do you know she's not lying? Sugar is more expensive in America than in Canada - it's an undeniable truth.
It's going to Quebec of all places, possibly the most socialistic part of Canada...thanks to your lovely tariffs. Hope you're proud of what people like you have achieved in terms of turning people out of work.
Ivan
You are absolutely ignorant if you think Japan has NO trade tariffs.
Well, since we've been over the ground about pedro, I'm not responding to that tripe. You are what you are - a profiteer from treason.
As for your commentary on my work associates, you're talking about the american people. People forced out of their jobs to fulfill your lust for more filthy lucre. There aren't any jobs here of any great worth to be had. And these folks are facing tough choices you're too good for. You don't know what average people deal with apparently and don't care. Right. So of course their meatballs in your opinion. You're a pos in theirs. That's why the president is running from this issue and that's why none of you will take up the challenge to have a televised conference wherein all you free traders give up your jobs to mexican, indian or chinese labor and go find something else to do. Good for us, good for you... right. Yeah, didn't think so.
And I'm sure you've been fired many times.
As for your moronic bs about homeland security.. You do that and I'll be laughing my behind off as they cart you off for false reporting. I've made no such threat. You guys really can be pathetic.
There is nothing "scare tactics"-ish about what is happenning environmentally in China. If you dump raw toxic waste into a river, people downstream die of cancer. Is that such a reach for you ? Is it not a statistical fact that the cities of China are the most polluted on this planet thanks to the deregulation you so praise ?
Scott, we are STILL waiting for you to demonstrate that the quotations in the article are inaccurate or fabricated.
Source is irrelevant when dealing with facts, as you may recall from evidentiary principles 101.
Let's try this again. The United States and indeed every other country of the world, went through a phase of capitalism in which there were sweatshops, rampant pollution, and so on in their efforts to join the modern world. China is not a modern country yet - it's infrastructure and industry isn't there yet at all.
But just like wage differentials will be eliminated as China's economy grows, so too will environmental differentials; Chinese businesses will be able to afford modern, more efficient equipment.
Now, returning back to the USA - you are making an assumption that undoing regulation would mean automatically that businesses would go back to the old days of polluting. This is hysterical nonsense. It is also the kind of rubbish the Greens try to peddle on the doorstep when asking people to vote for Nader. You are also assuming that environmental regulations are the sole, or even the most important factor in determining whether it is good to do business in America or elsewhere - I would like to see your empirical evidence on that. Labour regulations and taxation...and as the Lifesaver example shows, existing "protections", seem to be more important.
Ivan
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