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Loaded Guns
Citizen Journal ^ | 09/23/04 | Lokisfur

Posted on 09/26/2004 5:56:15 AM PDT by Bugaloogle

Lokisfur says: if a man with a gun is pointing it at a cop and he refuses to drop the gun after oh say 14 UN resolutions...and the cop shoots him...and then the cop finds out that the gun was not loaded...does that mean the cop was a liar about the threat. Of course not.

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KEYWORDS: bush; iraq; kerry; lies; napalminthemorning; terrorism; thatslikedeepman; wot

1 posted on 09/26/2004 5:56:15 AM PDT by Bugaloogle
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To: Bugaloogle

Great analogy.


2 posted on 09/26/2004 6:00:29 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: Bugaloogle
Lokisfur says: if a man with a gun is pointing it at a cop and he refuses to drop the gun after oh say 14 UN resolutions...and the cop shoots him...and then the cop finds out that the gun was not loaded...does that mean the cop was a liar about the threat. Of course not. As John McCain said...the choice in Iraq wasn't between war and peace it was a choice between war and a much graver threat.

The US , Bill Clinton, John Kerry, the entire congress Dem and Republican, Great Britain, Israel and Russia ALL believed that Saddaam were devloping WMD's and had stores of WMD's. That was the information that Bush had and he had no reason at the time to believe it was not true....his main job is to protect this nation...and in a post 9/11 world when Saddaam broke the final resolution, Bush did not have the luxury of allowing him to continue to defy and ignore the orders of the world anymore. Had

Bush allowed Saddam to thumb his nose at yet another resolution, it would have just made the US and the rest of the world look weak and empower the terrorist groups even more.

3 posted on 09/26/2004 6:03:37 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Dutch Boy
Lokisfur says: if a man with a gun is pointing it at a cop

>>Great analogy<<

Actually, the other side would say that's where the analogy falls apart...the man was never pointing the gun.

4 posted on 09/26/2004 6:05:58 AM PDT by evad (You cannot proceed to a correct conclusion based on a false premise.)
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To: Bugaloogle

And the other part of the analogy is that shell casings and loading equipment, along with a copy of the Anarchist's Cookbook are found in the den.


5 posted on 09/26/2004 6:11:55 AM PDT by doodad
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To: evad

the other side would be wrong....or did the use of WMD's on his own people not count as "pointing the gun" or did the invasion of Kuawait not count as "pointting the gun" or did the buiding of a nuclear plant to build weapons(preemptively bombed by israel)not count as "pointing the gun" or did the 14 resolutions and klicking the UN inspectors out time and time again..not count as "pointing the gun."?

There was plenty of pointing the gun by Iraq ...Kerry and the moronic Democrats and Liberals just refuse to see it.


6 posted on 09/26/2004 6:13:22 AM PDT by Bugaloogle
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To: Bugaloogle

This would be a good analogy for Dubya to use in the upcoming debates. They'll have to come up with all the possible comebacks so it won't backfire and give sKerry a "you're no Jack Kennedy" type line which the Media used to beat Quail over the head for the rest of the campaign.

Someone already mentioned the "he wasn't pointing the gun" BS, but sKerry himself said he was pointing the gun back then. That might be a good segue into the flip-flop charge.

I know it wouldn't be Presedential, but can you imagine with everything that sKerry says on the stage, if Dubya was on the stage waving his hands back and forth like the Delegates at the Convention and saying "FLIP-FLOP-FLIP-FLOP..."


7 posted on 09/26/2004 6:20:49 AM PDT by gooleyman ((Half the Babies aborted would have grown up to be women. What about their "RIGHT TO CHOOSE"??????))
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To: evad
...the man was never pointing the gun.

Ok, let's reword it...if a known murderer has a gun & you've warned him 17 times to put it down and he doesn't, and every police department in the world says there are bullets in it.....

Better?

8 posted on 09/26/2004 6:27:46 AM PDT by tsmith130 ("Some folks look at me and see a certain swagger, which in Texas is called "walking."" - GWB)
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To: tsmith130; Bugaloogle

Every police chief in the world says that a known killer has a loaded gun and they order the street cop to arrest him.

The street cop believes there is a gun, he just can't find it, so he continues shooting into the corpse.

The family relatives are demanding revenge.

Is the revenge justified? Who are they going top take revenge against? The police chiefs or the officers family?


9 posted on 09/26/2004 7:11:18 AM PDT by B4Ranch (´´Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the people´s liberty´s teeth.)
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To: Bugaloogle; tsmith130
There was plenty of pointing the gun by Iraq ...Kerry and the moronic Democrats and Liberals just refuse to see it.

Bugaloo...yer absolutely right..that's why I spoke of the 'other side'.

Better?

TS..Not for the moronic Democrats and Liberals that Bugaloo speaks of and I was referring to.

It's pointless to try to explain things to this group, either through analogy or through cold, hard facts.

10 posted on 09/26/2004 7:43:16 AM PDT by evad (You cannot proceed to a correct conclusion based on a false premise.)
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To: Bugaloogle
If a man who is convicted of producing methamphetimines gets paroled on condition that he take police to his labs and prove that he's shutting them down, and the fails to do so, should he keep his parole? Suppose this person doesn't take the police to the labs but do let them search most of his property, provided he had at least one of his friends accompanying every police officer who is searching. Should that be considered acceptable? Suppose further that some of the cops who are documentably on the take think it's okay. Should the chief go along with that?

When the U.S. offered Saddam a cease-fire, we were offering him parole subject to certain conditions. Is it not reasonable for us to demand taht such conditions actually be met?

11 posted on 09/27/2004 6:49:29 PM PDT by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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To: supercat

Frankly I think thje first time he broke a resolution all bets should have been off


12 posted on 09/27/2004 8:51:21 PM PDT by Bugaloogle
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