Posted on 09/23/2004 6:24:36 AM PDT by Kokojmudd
BUMP
Hide your goodies, here they come.
You're going to have a stroke, Joe. I'm right behind you. Wonder if there's any way to develop alzheimers on purpose. Then I won't remember all this crap. Oh, to be one of the many ignorant smiling people again, eh?
Hope this won't tip you over the edge. Don't forget the article last week about the Habbib's trying to recruit border gangs to do mass evil inside the US.
I bet it's going to be a bunch of mexican gang bangers that get supplied with the latest and greatest germ to drop off in Hollywood one night.
Yeah, sometimes when I'm cruising through the senseless murder district I look with envy at all those guys talking to telephone poles and trash cans....They seem so care free.
This incident required a very special sort of "stupid" on the part of the FBI. Nethercott is known to be volatile and dangerous, but they decide to take him down in a Safeway supermarket parking lot? I don't know about where you live, but here in Cochise County, there are still likely to be shoppers in the parking lot at 23:15. To my mind, this put innocent bystanders in harm's way.
Worse, given that this is close to the border, the number of citizens carrying firearms is high. Much higher than you see elsewhere. If an armed local had been there and seen a group of plain-clothes strangers shoot someone, they might have opened fire and put several more people in the hospital or morgue. I'd bet even money that if the citizen was Joe Average, the ensuing investigation would result in no charges. At least here in Cochise County, anyway.
My guess at this point is that some shrimpy FBI agent felt threatened by Tiny Riddle's mere presence. Tiny is 6'8" long and 350+ pounds. Personally, I wouldn't have felt all that threatened -- I'm only 5'8" and 160 pounds, but despite a life of friendly barroom brawling I've never met a sasquatch-sized guy who could not be controlled.
Probably the bottom line. And I'd bet the shooter is never held accountable.
In my experience, a big guy is seldom a serious danger. Little guys are the ones that are scary and unpredictable.
Through experience, I completely agree.
BTTT
Whatever is going down in Cochise County is consistant with trying to stop anyone who openly opposes illegals. The three men I mentioned are not your Joe Average. In my way of thinking this is a conserted effort by the FBI.
Other than V. Fox giving the FBI orders, the only other reason that I can think of is PAN. Quite, possibly the government will use these "bad guys" as examples of racism, ect. to vote agains PAN. We'll just have to wait and see. It is too obvious going after these people within 2 weeks of each other that something not in the mix.
I agree with you that the FBI probably felt threatened by the size of the man. But, there is still no excuse for shooting.
Had our borders been secured, this would have never happened.
Giant killers...especially when drinking.
Sadly, the people who have been defining who is a dangerous wacko, since the OK City bombing, include Morris Dees' Southern Poverty Law Center (Left of Hillary), and Mark Pittcavage' Militia Watchdog (now taken over by the ADL). Virtually any white person with a gun and a passing familliarity with the Constitiution is branded as a dangerous right wing extremist. The folks who read this "intelligence" are in LEAs from the Clinton era (read: senior management), and are still taking the blanket mischaracterizations to heart.
Yes, there are (potentially) dangerous Wackos of every ilk out there, but as a rule, the Militias are not the problem. If the Feds would entertain the idea of opening dialogue with and utilizing civillian volunteers, at least in an intelligence gathering mode along the border, these folks could contribute and do something about the problem in a manner which would avoid confrontations with LEAs .
Yep. That was the FBI's Elite "Hostage Rescue Team", no less.
In a time of war, Our Own President continues to keep our borders unprotected! This will be my last vote for the GOP, unless the border situation is changed. Last time. I don't care after this Presidential election, how terrible the dems look. If the GOP, doesn't control the borders after we give them 2 tours of duty in the white house, WITH control of the house and senate, fogetaboutit.
We have the enemy coming across our borders by the thousands...and I am talking about young Arab OTM's, who will one day raise hell on our streets and we will have to use our arms to put them down. It will be a bloody and messy business.
Legal immigration is fine for any who want to come here and become Americans and adopt the principles of true liberty. All others should be barred and the border MUST be controlled to provide for the nation's security.
Very much correct.
The "exceptions" to preventing gun posession for "domestic violence" "convictions" are in very fine print, which is typically ignored by "law enforcement".
They basically revolve around weather or not the defendant actually had a "trial by jury" or not.
Before the unconstitutional and "ex-post facto" "Lautenberg Amendment" was passed "domestic violence" charges were usually a misdemeanor, and often still are.
Misdemeanors are often handled by a simple plea bargain, no attorney, no jury, and described to the defendant by the court as being very similar to a traffic ticket, with no severe long term penalties.
But under "Lautenberg" a person with a "DV" conviction is treated like a felon, even if the "conviction" occurred thirty years before the "law" took effect!
A good lawyer can deal with this, IF the person did not have a jury trial.
So a critical question here becomes, did this guy have legitimate "DV" conviction, or a back dated ex-post facto one that the Fed. Gov. is exploiting to shut him up and disrupt Ranch Rescue's operation?
If the Gov. IS attempting to exploit an old misdemeanor for political purposes it is unacceptable abuse, oppression under color of law!
You might be amazed at how many people have "DV" convictions in their past, and are unaware that this makes them ineligible to own or even touch a gun.
Then add in the fact that there is no standard of proof for an abuse allegation, they are routine divorce and vengeance tactics, and you may begin to see just how ripe for true abuse by L.E. and "victims" this "law" has become.
There are bills in congress to undo this mess, but the radical "all men are pigs" types will go nuts if this "law" ever appears to be on the verge of repeal.
An No, this does not affect me personally in any way, and never has.
Yep, "Lautenberg" was buried deep in the spending bill, which was a "must pass bill", passed VERY late in the session.
As I recall it may have been passed on the last possible day.
Heads Up!
We are down to the last two or three weeks of THIS legislative session, many in congress are NOT running for reelection and will feel no remorse or constituent pressure if they decide to screw us!
NOW is THE time when we MUST watch congress most closely, they do their worst acts of sedition in the closing days of the session!
Even a felony conviction shouldn't trump your unalienable rights to self-defense --- if the legal system deems you no longer a danger to society after you serve time for a felony crime, then why are your 2nd amendment rights taken away? If you are not considered safe, then you should certainly still serve prison time.
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