First, Find the Forger

NY Times ^ | September 22, 2004 | WILLIAM SAFIRE

[potlatch]

Yuk!! Who would want her job?

[Bobbisox]

BUMP! WHO DID IT? WHO BENNEFITED?

[Smartass]

An apology won't make forgery go away. Mary Mapes is
involved in another federal crime in Colorado.

[Smartass]

Lockhart is locked up tight in the CBS, Rather, Mapes
Kerry campaign, Max CleLand, Burkett, Ramirez, Harkin,
DNC, Bush Texas ANG records scandal. Many, many federal
unanswered criminal questions left. Whewww, what a
cast of characters.

[GOPJ]

I don't believe this is a small time operation any more than the original Watergate was a small time operation.

But, on the following, the New York Times is right:

Conservatives should stop slavering over Dan Rather's scalp, and liberals should stop pretending that noble ends justify fake-evidence means. Both should focus on the lesson of the early 70's: from third-rate burglaries to fourth-rate forgeries, nobody gets away with trying to corrupt American elections.

[potlatch]

What a cast of characters is right!! We'll probably never find out the truth till after the election!

[Smartass]

Lead Forgery Character, Evil "Hanoi John"

[Grampa Dave]

[Grampa Dave]

BOL!

[Grampa Dave]

Make that a Kerry Kerrorist Hit Man.

[hosepipe]

[ Both should focus on the lesson of the early 70's: from third-rate burglaries to fourth-rate forgeries, nobody gets away with trying to corrupt American elections. ]

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Thats Safire falling off the turnip truck..
And he's a 1st rate jounalist ?...

It's done all the time.. in North Dakota, New Jersy, Louisiana, Missouri, to mention a few..
What you smokin Bill ?

[TheGrimReaper]

Unfortunately, election fraud (which this episode arguably is) is one of the most-committed yet least-prosecuted crimes in the U.S.

[Hillarys Gate Cult]

Note to CBS/Kerry underlings;

Somebody is going to get thrown to the wolves by CBS and the DNC over this if it gets to criminal prosecution. I recommend getting to a lawyer and coming clean before you are left holding the bag.
It appears that Mapes and those others often mentioned are well insulated by information they have and probably safe from retribution.

[Smartass]

Coming clean with a lawyer may not help them before a
federal Grand Jury.   Grand Juries have a tendency to not
take any prisoners.   Most often, questions, answers and
a preponderance of evidence is all it takes.   Just ask
Martha Stewart!

[okie01]

She wanted an even bigger story than Abu Ghraib.

IF she promised Burkett she could hook him up with the top level people of the DNC (like Cleland)... that maybe he'd fax her back some "memos" she'd have delivered to him at a livestock show?

The Houston Livestock Show took place before Mapes got the Abu Ghraib photos.

If there ever was a Lucy Ramirez, which is doubtful, it wasn't Mary Mapes. Mapes has her own problems, though.

[Just mythoughts]

"Nicely put, Jmt. Now I'm going to translate that into bull in a china shop terms. Less suggestive, less subtle, but I defy anyone to contradict:

IOW Kerry has a history of forging documents--or possibly sending or allowing one of his people to do so.

In his new and improved 1986 Silver Star citation, Kerry presents us with Secretary of the Navy Lehman's FORGED signature--whether by pen or autopen. He has a history and it's not admirable."


Bingo! Got to start at the top, especially when there is a history.

Now "if" JFKerry is clean he will be signing that 180 and releasing all those telling documents, and he would hold a press conference and tell us how he obtained that signature/autopen of the Secretary of the Navy, Lehman, in 1986, while he was a sitting senator.

He wants to be president, and leaders lead by setting the example.

After all Joe Lockhart told us that the reason he talked to Burkett was to respond to the Swift Boats Vets.

[Ditter]

You must still have a measure of respect for the MSM, I don't. I think Rather has knowingly taken part in lies & half truths for the liberal cause for so long that he just considered this as business as usual. I hope it puts him & all concerned behind bars.

[GOPJ]

Democrats seem smug considering the problems Kerry's having.

I fear the fix is in -- that if this is a "close" election, dems will steal it. Have you noticed how the MSM is avoiding the subject? It means dem operatives aren't feeding them information on how easy it is to rig optical scanners. I fear for our freedoms.

Unfortunately, election fraud (which this episode arguably is) is one of the most-committed yet least-prosecuted crimes in the U.S.

[TheGrimReaper]

I have witnessed some voting "irregularities" first-hand, and as bad as that is, I am even more troubled by the utter lack of concern on the part of the state/county election officials to whom I have reported them.
Letters sent to any number of legislative/executive branch officeholders are met with deafening silence.

There are still some 46,000 people currently registered to vote in BOTH NY and Florida -- what party affiliation do you suppose the majority of them have?

I also fear for the continued existence of the Republic as we know it.

[GOPJ]

I knew some of the people who helped cheat for Kennedy in Chicago. Played bridge with them back in the 60's. Years later, dem friends in Florida told me how the vote was cheated there -- ice pick in the Republican hole makes it a double punched and throw away vote.

With optical scanners, no paper trails, and a press that works as a private PR firm for Democrats, I fear for this election. I fear for a free country. If Bush can pull a win, the more moral parts of the democrat party might stage a coup -- and the danger will be averted.

I have witnessed some voting "irregularities" first-hand, and as bad as that is, I am even more troubled by the utter lack of concern on the part of the state/county election officials to whom I have reported them. Letters sent to any number of legislative/executive branch officeholders are met with deafening silence.