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CBS VS. ITS OWN EXPERTS
NRO ( Kerry Spot) ^

Posted on 09/16/2004 12:31:23 PM PDT by Bushruffneck

Kerry Spot says Baltimore Sun is now claiming Pierce says he did not authenticate anything.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cbs; rather
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In the meantime, note this Baltimore Sun article:

CBS also identified the four experts it had consulted to authenticate the Killian papers. In recent days, Linda James and Emily Will, two analysts who said they were asked by CBS to review the documents before the broadcast, have stepped forward to say they raised questions about the memos before the broadcast, but the network brushed their doubts aside. In a statement, CBS said that the two had misstated their involvement, adding that the two women "played a peripheral role in the authentication process" and had deferred to the judgment of San Francisco-based document examiner Marcel Matley, who has defended the authenticity of some aspects of the memos. A fourth examiner, James J. Pierce, also continues to support the documents, the network said. But in interviews with The Sun, both women said they had not deferred to Matley.

"That is untrue," James said yesterday by telephone. "I did not authenticate them. This keeps on getting more and more involved."

1 posted on 09/16/2004 12:31:23 PM PDT by Bushruffneck
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To: Bushruffneck
Marcel Matley, who has defended the authenticity of some aspects of the memos...

Some aspects? Like what? They're on paper, and paper was used in 1972?

2 posted on 09/16/2004 12:33:08 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Bushruffneck

I think you are confusing Pierce with James. Read the article again.


3 posted on 09/16/2004 12:33:53 PM PDT by Cableguy
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To: Bushruffneck

Waiting for Strong to back away as well.


4 posted on 09/16/2004 12:34:09 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Bushruffneck

Wrong James. James Pierce stands by his authentication, LINDA JAMES does not. Read it carefully.


5 posted on 09/16/2004 12:34:24 PM PDT by watsonfellow
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To: Bushruffneck
Please try to refrain from further comments on the memos. Dan wants to be the one to break the news if they turn out to be forged.
6 posted on 09/16/2004 12:35:10 PM PDT by OSHA (Don't call them forgeries. Dan wants to be the one to break that news.)
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To: Bushruffneck

I think you misread the post. Mrs. James, not Pierce, says she did not authenticate the documents. Pierce, whoever he is, is still a member of the flat earth society.


7 posted on 09/16/2004 12:35:12 PM PDT by LibertyJihad
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To: Bushruffneck

They're actually referring to Linda James. The important part, however is that CBS points out that the experts deferred to Matley, who "examined" all four documents. Matley says he did examine all four, and only authenticated one. And why in the world would two document experts yield to a handwriting expert??


8 posted on 09/16/2004 12:35:51 PM PDT by angry_dad
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To: SandyInSeattle
"Some aspects? Like what? They're on paper, and paper was used in 1972?"

Yes, and English was the language commonly used in 1970s-era American military correspondence.
9 posted on 09/16/2004 12:41:38 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: angry_dad
Matley says he did examine all four, and only authenticated one.

What I heard was that Matley did not AUTHENTICATE anything - he verified that all the signatures on the forged docs were from the same person, NOT that that person was Killian.

10 posted on 09/16/2004 12:41:40 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Bushruffneck

for what its worth this is Pierce's report from CBS website..no one can find this guy on the internet either..what are his qualifications?

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/pierce1.pdf


11 posted on 09/16/2004 12:42:12 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: admin

Please change or delete this post. I think it is misleading and has faulty info.


12 posted on 09/16/2004 12:42:41 PM PDT by Cableguy
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To: Izzy Dunne
Correct. An important point. He "verified" a signature compared to another sample. He could not "verify" the other documents that only contained initials because he's not a document expert. And, as we know, he doesn't believe that copies can be verified. So why would James and Will give actually authenticity review over to Matley?
13 posted on 09/16/2004 12:46:16 PM PDT by angry_dad
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To: Bushruffneck

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/elections/bal-te.cbs16subsep16,1,4934986.story?coll=bal-nationworld-headlines
More from the article...("James" is a woman per this report)

...CBS also identified the four experts it had consulted to authenticate the Killian papers. In recent days, Linda James and Emily Will, two analysts who said they were asked by CBS to review the documents before the broadcast, have stepped forward to say they raised questions about the memos before the broadcast, but the network brushed their doubts aside. In a statement, CBS said that the two had misstated their involvement, adding that the two women "played a peripheral role in the authentication process" and had deferred to the judgment of San Francisco-based document examiner Marcel Matley, who has defended the authenticity of some aspects of the memos. A fourth examiner, James J. Pierce, also continues to support the documents, the network said.

But in interviews with The Sun, both women said they had not deferred to Matley.

"That is untrue," James said yesterday by telephone. "I did not authenticate them. This keeps on getting more and more involved."

Instead, James, a document examiner from Texas, said that she had been asked by CBS to look at several apparent Killian documents five days before the broadcast and that she made clear her reservations about them.

Will, a North Carolina-based documents consultant, said she was sent two copies of memos to review by the network three days before the broadcast. One, a document dated August 1972 that was used on the air, contained only initials, not a signature.


14 posted on 09/16/2004 12:46:39 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: angry_dad
So why would James and Will give actually authenticity review over to Matley?

Huh? The article says:
both women said they had not deferred to Matley.

15 posted on 09/16/2004 12:50:49 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: rolling_stone
what are his qualifications?

He needs only one qualification. He agrees with Dan Rather.

All other qualifications are secondary.

16 posted on 09/16/2004 12:51:16 PM PDT by dinasour (Pajamahadeen)
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To: Izzy Dunne

I know. I'm asking why CBS would release a statement saying that two document experts yielded their findings to a handwriting expert. It's rhetorical, as we all know why.


17 posted on 09/16/2004 12:53:13 PM PDT by angry_dad
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To: angry_dad
I see. My bad.

Sounds like a case of "pin the blame on the donkey".

18 posted on 09/16/2004 12:56:51 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Bushruffneck

I hate to say it, but this is poorly written and confusing.


19 posted on 09/16/2004 1:03:34 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: SandyInSeattle

As I understand it, he opined that the signatures on all 4 memos matched -- matched each other, not that they were necessarily the real signatures of the guy who supposedly wrote the memos, and not that the memos themselves were genuine.


20 posted on 09/16/2004 1:06:46 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker (Donate to the Swift Vets -- www.swiftvets.com)
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