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Slicing and Dicing Formatting Fraud with Occam's Razor
longleggedfly ^ | Sep 11, 2004 | JCEccles

Posted on 09/11/2004 9:43:06 AM PDT by JCEccles

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To: JCEccles

GREAT article - I love this article; it's not speculative in any sense, it states the facts in a clear and devastating manner. Dan Rather brought back a dead man to destroy President Bush, but this article drives a steak into the heart of Dan Rather's ghoulish hoax.


21 posted on 09/11/2004 10:20:05 AM PDT by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" Pope Urban II (c 1097 a.d.))
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To: Wardawg

Hope you are right but history doesn't argue for you. The only scandals that have legs are scandals involving conservatives. The tone of FOX's coverae is now dismissive.


22 posted on 09/11/2004 10:31:03 AM PDT by mercy
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To: bootyist-monk

Not to pick nits... but the standard default margins in Word are as follows:

Top = 1", Bottom = 1", Left = 1.25", Right = 1.25"

The default left / right margins are not 1". Has been this way in every version of Word that I've ever used.



You are totally right about this. BUT, a too clever by half forgerer might have reset the Word margins to 1" if he/she knew that standard military margin would have been 1". In that case, NOT knowing that standard military paper stock of that epoch was 8", and not 8 1/2" becomes the fatal flaw in the attempted fraud!


23 posted on 09/11/2004 10:34:15 AM PDT by bastantebueno55 (Viva Jorge W Arbusto)
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To: JCEccles

jean phouqin keri's @zz belongs to the Swifty's...

Dan RATher's @zz belongs to FreeRepublic!!!

24 posted on 09/11/2004 10:40:43 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: JCEccles
The 'Key' to this forgery lies in the fact that Rather was 'given' COPIES. Allow me to digress.

Of course, by now, we have all figured out why Rather was 'given' and used copies in smearing President Bush.

There were NO originals. There never were unless you consider the "Masters" the forgers ran off on their HP printer and later shredded and disposed of.

But one has to 'delve' a bit deeper in deductive reasoning to see the purpose of 'giving' Rather 25th (excuse my lack of Superscript here) generation copies to purport as real.

Why has no one asked Rather to produce the originals?? It's a simple question. Original documents would quickly and clearly either substantiate his smear or repudiate it.

Surely the criminals who 'stole' the documents from the estate of Lt. Col. Killian would possess the originals. I should think they would be awarded high paying government or DNC jobs in a Kerry administration for their efforts in defeating President Bush if they would only bring them forth.

Using copies provides Rather with the obvious defense that the copies were made from the 'originals' and so we should rest assurred that if Dan wanted to bring forth the originals he would only have to wave his magic wand and poof, they would appear. But of course he can't since there are no originals.

Imagine for a moment the conversation with "Deep Font" and Rather as they discuss Deep Font turning over these stolen documents:

Dan: So you have the documents?

DF: Copies. I have copies.

Dan: OK. Copies are good. I can smear Bush with Copies. But what if they start asking where I got these and why I don't have originals. What do I say??

DF: You tell'em what Teresa Kerry said, Shove it!

25 posted on 09/11/2004 10:42:46 AM PDT by Doc Savage
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To: JCEccles

Information on the CBS fraud should always be front page news IMHO.

If you're ever in doubt, check with Admin. and ask for exception to keep on front page.


26 posted on 09/11/2004 10:44:27 AM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
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To: NavySEAL F-16

the same people that think those docs are legit
think oj was innocent


27 posted on 09/11/2004 10:47:44 AM PDT by genghis
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To: bastantebueno55

I completely agree that the documents are frauds. I think the issue is that the documents were typed with the default Word margins. Just tried it myself, and at 1.25 left and right, using Times New Roman, the document formats exactly as the forged memos.


28 posted on 09/11/2004 10:56:15 AM PDT by bootyist-monk (<--------------------- Republican Attack Machine)
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To: JCEccles

I've posted the last couple of days to alert folks that the copies I have were done on regulation 8 x 10.5 paper. I can't remember where I got the PDF copy but it clearly shows the originals as 8 x 10.5 although the copy is on 8.5 x 11 paper. The orginal has a grey tinge to it with a quarter inch whiter margin around the outside with the exception of the 8/1/72 memo which has a grey area 9.5 in length for some reason (width is 8). It appears from my copies that the various items were done on standard military size paper for that era.


29 posted on 09/11/2004 11:03:59 AM PDT by SageofRugby
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To: JCEccles; jmstein7
Ping for reference. I have not been around at FR lately, but I am proud of the work done by fellow FReepers!

Lando

30 posted on 09/11/2004 11:05:59 AM PDT by Lando Lincoln (A Fair and Balanced Decision - GWB in 2004)
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To: bootyist-monk; Admin Moderator
You're right. I had forgotten about the .25 inch buffer on the Word default (by force of long habit I always reset my margins to one inch right out of the box).

In sum, the cleanest, clearest, and most elegant explanation--the only explanation that fits all the evidence without being forced unnaturally--is that the document(s) were prepared with Microsoft Word at either its default 1.25" margin setting on 8.5 x 11 paper or one-inch margin setting on 8 x 10.5 paper.

Admin moderator, you might want to pull this until I can rewrite it to bring its accuracy up to speed.

31 posted on 09/11/2004 11:32:57 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: JCEccles

BTTT


32 posted on 09/11/2004 11:34:28 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: The Duke
If the Air Force used 8 inch paper at that time, then I'm not sure why we're even bothering to analyze fonts and such(?)

Because today's FAX machines and copiers use 8 1/2 inch paper. Thus one could copy an 8 inch sheet onto an 8 1/2 inch one. It could be centered, more or less, or it could be offset to one side. Either way, the paper would still be 8 1/2 inches wide. The Margins would then be seen to be 1 1/4 inches rather than 1 inch. They are 1 inch. More properly the text is contained in 6 1/2 inches, not 6 inches as it would be if the original was done on 8 inch paper with 1 inch margins.

33 posted on 09/11/2004 1:40:03 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: El Gato

Argument still holds if one allows for the extra width margins, except that now the Word version's text would be contained in 5 1/2 inchs while a standard AF memo would be 6 inches. In any event, no matter what then available machine, paper or margin settings were used, it would not be identical to something produced by Microsoft Word. It is, to within the limit of being faxed, therefore it's a modern fake.


34 posted on 09/11/2004 1:52:45 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: JCEccles
My own invocation of O's Razor in this conversation with a one-day troll.
35 posted on 09/11/2004 2:18:50 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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