[LiberalBassTurds]

LBT

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[clee1]

Where's my hip-waders? It's gettin' real DEEP in here....

[ambrose]

As another of the corroborating experts for its report, CBS and Rather presented an on-air interview with Marcel B. Matley, a San Francisco document examiner. Rather said Matley had corroborated the four Killian memos.

But in an interview with The Times, the analyst said he had only judged a May 4, 1972, memo — in which Killian ordered Bush to take his physical — to be authentic.

[js1138]

Wow. The LA effing Times. CBS is neck deep in the Big Muddy and the old fool says move on.

[ambrose]

There's one misstatement in the Times article that I cannot allow to pass unmentioned:

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Only one guardsman from that era has said he remembers Bush reporting in Alabama, where he had been allowed to transfer to help run the U.S. Senate campaign of family friend Winton "Red" Blount.

That officer, Lt. Col. John Calhoun, has said he saw Bush several times at Dannelly Field near Montgomery, Ala. But Calhoun said he made the sightings on dates the White House had already conceded that Bush did not serve.

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This is flat out false. Below are just a sampling of the numerous witnesses who came forward back in February. Many, if not most of them, were interviewed in local papers, which the Big Media refused to pick up on. Again, this is just a sampling, because not all of the eyewitness stories were properly archived at the time:

Articles indexed to wguardwitness (in order of time indexed.)

Former Dannelly worker: Bush not AWOL [another eyewitness steps forward]
	Posted by ambrose On News/Activism 02/16/2004 4:19:13 PM PST · 101 replies · 110+ views THE DECATUR DAILY ^ | 2.16.04 | Eric Fleischauer Former Dannelly worker: Bush not AWOL By Eric Fleischauer DAILY Staff Writer eric@decaturdaily.com · 340-2435 Retired Master Sgt. James Copeland does not care so much whether people think President Bush went absent without leave in 1972, but one thing he hears bothers him plenty. "Maybe the Bush family was well known in Texas, but we didn't know who he was here. He was just another guy in a flight jacket," Copeland said Sunday. Copeland, who lives in Hartselle, retired from the Air Force on Jan. 31, 1980. He was the disbursement accounting supervisor, a full-time position, for Dannelly Air National...
Memories place Bush in Alabama if records don't ["Why are you still whipping this dead horse?"]
	Posted by ambrose On News/Activism 02/13/2004 10:23:44 PM PST · 11 replies · 55+ views Atlanta Journal Constitution ^ | 2.14.04 Memories place Bush in Alabama if records don't By DAVE HIRSCHMAN in Montgomery , MONI BASU in Atlanta The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Published on: 02/13/04 The search for proof that young Lt. George W. Bush worked weekends at an Air Force base in Montgomery, 32 years ago has taken on a strange, forensic quality.  Family photo (ENLARGE) Lt. Col. John "Bill" Calhoun said he saw the future president each drill period when both men were serving in the National Guard in Montgomery.  EMAIL THISPRINT THISMOST POPULAR Dusty dental records and copies of old pay stubs provided by the White House are...
Doctor Recalls Treating Bush
	Posted by Hon On News/Activism 02/15/2004 2:00:58 PM PST · 64 replies · 40+ views Montgomery Advertiser ^ | February 15, 2004 | Jessica M. Walker <p>A retired Air National Guard physician recalls giving President Bush a physical in 1972, his son said Saturday, adding another memory to the small but growing pool of recollections of Bush's military service in Montgomery.</p> <p>The memories of Bush's service contradict a dearth of paperwork surrounding his time assigned to the Alabama Air National Guard, but a retired Air National Guard personnel officer said the lack of records could very well be the result of shoddy record-keeping, as opposed to deliquence on Bush's part.</p>
Joppa man: Bush served in Guard in '72
	Posted by Conservative Coulter Fan On News/Activism 02/21/2004 9:57:49 AM PST · 11 replies · 53+ views THE DECATUR DAILY ^ | Eric Fleischauer Not only was George W. Bush fulfilling his National Guard duties in 1972, he was already showing the conservative political ideology that is now the bane of many Democrats, according to a Joppa man. Joe Holcombe, 71, was the office manager for Winton "Red" Blount in his unsuccessful race for the U.S. Senate in 1972. Bush was the county coordinator for Blount's campaign, Holcombe said. The Blount family and the Bush family were good friends, Holcombe said. Blount lost to Morgan County native and U.S. Sen. John Sparkman. Bush joined Blount's campaign "a little before or a little after the...

[Cincinatus]

Deflecting questions about whether Democrats had given CBS the documents implicating Bush, McAuliffe suggested it might have been White House political advisor Karl Rove who did so.

Even McAuliffe doesn't believe the documents are legitimate. Fortunately, he's too stupid to come up with a more convincing lie.

Hugh Hewitt had a comment on his site I found funny -- "Thank God for Terry McAuliffe -- the best DNC Chairman the Republicans could ever hope for!"

[claudiustg]

---He said he did not form a judgment on the three other disputed memos because they only included Killian's initials and he did not have validated samples of the officer's initials to use for comparison.---

So he's only vouching for a copy of one signature. Wonderful. No wonder everyone is watching Fox.

[VisualizeSmallerGovernment]

White House spokesman Reed Dickens called the insinuation that Rove was behind the documents "complete nonsense."

This is why I will never be a White House spokesperson. If anyone asked me if Rove was behind the documents, my answer would be "Wouldn't that be something?"

[KingKongCobra]

Het Kenneth,

All your old witnesses are belong to us. BWAHAHAHA

[conservative in nyc]

One more excerpt:

A CBS official who spoke on condition of anonymity said that the network had two other document experts, who CBS did not identify, examine the documents, which were copies of the originals.

The experts studied the type font or style, spacing and other variables and deemed the memos legitimate, said the official.

If this is true, why not NAME THE OTHER EXPERTS, CBS?

Here's what I think CBS did: They got Matley to authenticate the signed memo (which is a copy, and can't be definitively authenticated). They then took the other memos to their other two experts and asked them to compare the Matley-authenticated memo to the others, and say it came from the same typewriter. Those experts concluded that they did, without reaching a conclusion about whether the memos could be from 1972. That's likely why CBS isn't naming the other experts.

Funny how Matley talked to the L.A. Times, but not the Washington Post, isn't it? He told the Washington Post that 60 Minutes didn't want him doing interviews.

[AmericanVictory]

Keep on stickin'
and take a lickin'

[shrinkermd]

"On Monday, the newly formed "Texans for Truth," a liberal advocacy group, plans to begin airing an ad in five closely fought states — Oregon, Arizona Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania — that features a retired member of the Alabama Air National Guard saying he never saw Bush appear for training in 1972.

"In just three days this week, the group said it had raised more than $400,000 from 5,000 contributors to air the ad.

"The group said many of its donors believed the Bush critique was justified after Republicans backed similar ads that said Kerry did not deserve some of the medals he won while in combat in Vietnam.

"To keep the issue alive, the group said it would announce a "substantial" reward on Tuesday to anyone who could offer proof that Bush fulfilled his service in the Alabama Air National Guard.

The whole purpose of Rather et al and the criticism of Bush's guard duty is based on the failure of Senator Kerry to answer the Swifties. He has answered not a one of the charges and Kerry and his colleagues are now reduced to trying to make the President look as dishonest as they are. This is impossible regardless of the authenticity of the documents in question. The President is an honorable and honest man.

[ThirstyMan]

I read the whole article only to find this as the concluding statement:

Howard Rile of Long Beach, former president of the American Board of Forensic Document Examiners, cautioned against feverish vetting of the memos without seeing the originals and other documents produced at the same time and place.

That could be difficult because CBS says it does not have the original memos.

What? They don't have ANY originals? What jerks!!!

[Cboldt]

Interview on FoxNews with a Air National Guard person - hit on the point that Staudt was retired before August 18, 1973, and the acronym "OETR" (referring to a repository) is wildly incorrect.

Just from a cursory reading, LA Times appears to be non-commital on the story at this point.

[Arrowhead1952]

Dan Ra^ther Memogate is not going away quickly.

[JasonC]

"McAuliffe suggested it might have been White House..."

Um, is that an admission that they are obvious forgeries? McAuliffe, please cc that transcendently obvious point to CBS News and the NYT. The DNC wouldn't be saying they must be from Rove if the DNC still honestly thought they were genuine.

[stevek1]

Demand Dan Rather & CBS News Retraction
Tell Them to Admit Blame about Documents Exposed as Forgeries!

http://www.rightmarch.com/091004a.htm

ALERT: Reports are now exploding across newspapers, television and the internet that CBS News, led by blatantly biased Dan Rather, used forged documents during a "60 Minutes" segment Wednesday night in an incompetent attempt to smear President George W. Bush's National Guard service. Clearly phony, these "new" documents were easily debunked overnight by solid evidence from forensic document experts, typographers and retired military officers.

Closer examination quickly proved the supposedly 30-year-old documents were generated in a modern-day typeface from a printer, not a typewriter, negating CBS News' excuse that the documents were aired because they passed handwriting analysis.

Yet Dan Rather PUSHED to air the groundless smear in an obvious attempt to counter President Bush's jump in the polls. As evidence of fraud mounts, Rather and the network have refused to name their source OR their expert who supposedly "authenticated" the documents.

At BEST, Rather and the CBS News staff are guilty of gross incompetence by allowing their desire to smear the President outweigh their professional duty to properly check the facts. At WORST, CBS News may be guilty of deliberately reporting what they knew to be false, and engaging in libel and slander against the President of the United States during a time of war.

Americans nationwide need to DEMAND accountability from the media -- and we've set up an easy way for you to do just that.

TAKE ACTION: You can click through here to use (or edit) our online letter, demanding that CBS News release the name(s) of its sources and air a retraction as the documents are proved to be forgeries. Tell the network to drop its blatant anti-Bush bias and stop trying to sway the election with unethical and unprofessional "reporting."

Furthermore, IF anchor Dan Rather pushed this story because of his bias, he deserves to be FIRED -- so you might even want to ask CBS to dump him NOW and clean house, so that CBS News can offer fair and balanced reporting worthy of regaining public trust.

http://www.rightmarch.com/091004a.htm

[igoramus987]

Matley says he has concerns about authenticating a document that has deteriorated (link), yet he goes ahead and authenticates a memo. Now even though their expert has raised concerns about authenticating a document that has deteriorated, Rather says that he believes "[CBS's photocopied] documents are authentic" (link), and hasn't bothered to get the originals to check their authenticity.

"Matley was the only expert cited [by CBS], and he focused on signatures on the memos." (link)

"But in an interview with The Times, the analyst said he had only judged a May 4, 1972, memo in which Killian ordered Bush to take his physical to be authentic. He said he did not form a judgment on the three other disputed memos because they only included Killian's initials and he did not have validated samples of the officer's initials to use for comparison." [posted by ambrose and conservative in nyc]

Dan Rather is using handwriting expert (not typewriting expert) Marcel Matley to stall for time. [posted by Dog and post #8]

Matley has written an article about how to stall for time. The second line of Matley's article is... "How to hold off your opponent until the cavalry arrives" and in the last paragraph... "At least with the above you will have hopefully survived the day...". (link)

Matley says the memos were "so deteriorated from copying that it was impossible to identify the typeface", so he "focused on the signatures" instead. Wouldn't the signatures have deteriorated just as much, making it impossible to authenticate them properly. (link)

[Samwise]

Hey, Dan Ra^ther! Your 60 minutes are up.

[Dan(9698)]

...in which Killian ordered Bush to take his physical — to be authentic.

It is obvious he was over his head. In the military it is "medical" not "physical"

That alone says it is fake.