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To: stremba
Fine I will consider creationism in the same way as evolution. Give me some testable prediction made by creationism and I'll compare it to the observations that have been made. I've never said that creationism isn't true. I've said that it isn't science.

Like I said, I'm not an expert but their are some websites that make excellent presentations. Just Google for them, invest some time and be objective.

Just a thought. When we look at an automobile, why do we conclude it was designed and assembled by people (creationism)? Why don't we give it the benefit of the doubt and conclude it spontaneously assembled itself from an elemental state (evolution). Why don't we find autos in the fossil record, after all, they are relatively simple compared to life? Again, just a thought.

167 posted on 09/08/2004 8:17:55 AM PDT by trubolotta
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To: trubolotta
I'm not an expert but their are some websites that make excellent presentations. Just Google for them

Most of us are very well aware of every one of those websites. As an exercise, if you'd like, you could kindly point out the single most perplexing "problem" you (or a site) has with evolution, and we'd be happy to tackle it from the ground up. Your choice, anything you'd like to bring up, be it quote salads, 2nd LoT, evolution of eyes, whathaveyou. go for it. Seriously.

When we look at an automobile, why do we conclude it was designed and assembled by people

Because automobiles are not alive, they are very poor things to compare to evolutionary processes.
174 posted on 09/08/2004 9:15:53 AM PDT by whattajoke (.)(.)
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To: trubolotta

> When we look at an automobile, why do we conclude it was designed and assembled by people (creationism)?

Because cars do not self-assemble from naturally occuring elements. Life forms, however, do exactly that. Cars do not reproduce. Life forms do.

Your analogy is like the "lone pocketwatch" analogy so commonly and incorrectly used by Creationists. Basically, it goes liek this: if you were to be the first astronaut on another planet, and found a pocketwatch on a pedestal, woudl you assume it evolved there, or was Intelligently Designed and placed there? Obviously, the latter. However, there's a problem when tryign to apply that to evolution: Earth doesn;t have one single complex organism sitting on a pedestal. Earth is *covered* in a multitude of self-reproducing life forms. So, for the pocketwatch analogy to work, the astronaut would ahve to find a planet covered in pocketwatches, grandfather clocks, writstwatches, etc. all goign through life cycles and reproducing. In *that* case, evolution seems a likely source.


177 posted on 09/08/2004 10:41:45 AM PDT by orionblamblam
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