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Former Secretary of the Navy weighs in on Kerry's Silver Star citation
Sun Times ^ | 28 Aug 04

Posted on 08/28/2004 5:10:14 PM PDT by NavVet

Former Navy Secretary John Lehman has no idea where a Silver Star citation displayed on Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry's campaign Web site came from, he said Friday. The citation appears over Lehman's signature.

"It is a total mystery to me. I never saw it. I never signed it. I never approved it. And the additional language it contains was not written by me," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at suntimes.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: award; citation; combatv; johnlehman; kerry; medals; militaryrecord; navy; silver; star
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I'll just bet Kerry is an expert with photoshop.
1 posted on 08/28/2004 5:10:15 PM PDT by NavVet
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To: NavVet

Or maybe he was dating the Navy Secretary's secretary, or maybe he got one of his vietnam brothers to take the signature stamp and file the citation, he was after all a sitting US senator and they are "gods".

We all know now that LEHAMN did not sign it himself!


2 posted on 08/28/2004 5:16:04 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts

Holy Smokes!


3 posted on 08/28/2004 5:17:58 PM PDT by Texasforever (God can send you to hell but he can't sue you. He can't find a lawyer.)
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To: Texasforever

As usual, the mainstream press will say, "SO WHAT".


4 posted on 08/28/2004 5:21:02 PM PDT by maizey (maizey)
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To: NavVet
Unless this somehow blows up in Lehman's face, this could be truly devastating to Kerry, maybe the last straw.

If Lehman's memory is accurate, this means that this entire thing was fabricated and THAT is big.

5 posted on 08/28/2004 5:32:15 PM PDT by technomage
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To: surelyclintonsbaddream

PING!


6 posted on 08/28/2004 5:39:46 PM PDT by scott7278 (Kerry/Edwards: More Affordable Hair Care for America)
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To: technomage
Unless this somehow blows up in Lehman's face, this could be truly devastating to Kerry, maybe the last straw.

Hard to say. The signature scandel was first noiced by Moondoggie back in April. But its a printed stamp, not a signature. The real question is wheres Kerry's original one signed by John Chaffey?

7 posted on 08/28/2004 5:43:36 PM PDT by Bommer (John Kerry is a Vietnam Traitor)
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To: technomage
If Lehman's memory is accurate, this means that this entire thing was fabricated and THAT is big.

I've posted similar comments before, but what is BIG on FR does not necessarily translate to BIG in the world.

During the Clinton era, Foster's death was BIG, Travelgate was BIG, Lewinsky was BIG, but nothing was that BIG with the populace at large.

Morally this is BIG, practically ???

8 posted on 08/28/2004 5:46:45 PM PDT by leadhead
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To: NavVet

As first broken on FreeRepublic back on April 22nd,2004 by Moondoggie


9 posted on 08/28/2004 5:48:14 PM PDT by Bommer (John Kerry is a Vietnam Traitor)
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To: NavVet
At least we DO know who signed Kerry's birth certificate:

Herman J. Munster

10 posted on 08/28/2004 5:48:50 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: NavVet

Yet another reason Kerry needs to sign Standard Form 180 and release ALL of his records.


11 posted on 08/28/2004 6:01:39 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: NavVet
In addition to the testimony by this guy, when one is awarded a Silver Star, V as in Valor, is already stipulated. There is no such thing as Silver Star with Combat V!!

However, hanoi john managed to receive a ST with V, according to his DD214 on his website (End of Page 2 of his DD 214).

What a freaking "hero!"
12 posted on 08/28/2004 6:03:51 PM PDT by Chong (God Bless and Protect our Troops.)
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To: NavVet
Lehman's marks are being taken wildly out of context. Kerry asked for a replacement, and that's what he received. Lehman didn't sign it (it was a stamped signature, which is not unusual) and never drafted it. Which again is SOP -- The SecNav does not draft such things as a matter of course.

With all the truly legit criticisms of Kerry -- the Cambodia fabrications, the testimony before Congress, etc., adding this kind of misleading, petty stuff just detracts from the weight of the legit criticisms.

13 posted on 08/28/2004 6:11:34 PM PDT by XJarhead
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To: NavVet
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1201664/posts <-- Same subject
14 posted on 08/28/2004 6:12:49 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: XJarhead
With all the truly legit criticisms of Kerry -- the Cambodia fabrications, the testimony before Congress, etc., adding this kind of misleading, petty stuff just detracts from the weight of the legit criticisms.

Yep. In a field of lies, this is a little one. This subject, FWIW, was covered today on another thread ...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1201664/posts <-- clinical analysis

15 posted on 08/28/2004 6:16:01 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: XJarhead

What about the added language to the text of the citation?


16 posted on 08/28/2004 6:19:49 PM PDT by MJY1288 (John Kerry Says he Would Conduct a More Thoughtful and Sensitive War on Terror)
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To: NavVet

He had to do something during those 19 years in the Senate during which he never sponsored one bill that passed.

And during the times when he couldn't attend security council meetings.

Now we know what it was... he was taking photoshop classes from Registered.


17 posted on 08/28/2004 6:21:21 PM PDT by altura (Didn't think it possible but the dems did it. --found someone worse than Clinton or Gore.)
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To: leadhead

Yeah, I had a rude awakening regarding the general populace.

I hadn't watched Channel 5 (NBC) news for years. I, like Pauline Kael about Nixon, assumed no one else did.

The domestic partner was interviewed about a local election. He was on screen for maybe 30 seconds. Everyone I ran into mentioned it to me, and he was accosted by neighbors he didn't know asking him about it.

I guess people do still watch mainstream news media.

Well, duh!


18 posted on 08/28/2004 6:24:45 PM PDT by altura (Didn't think it possible but the dems did it. --found someone worse than Clinton or Gore.)
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To: XJarhead

Replacement Certificates almost twenty-years later normally do not have different language. If this was a replacement certificate, it should be generated from the original in his service record. The fact that there are three different citations, all with different language and no record of a request for a replacement citation, makes Lehman's lack of knowledge important.

I can guarantee you that if a sitting Senator wanted a new citation with new wording, he would have done more than call BUPERS and ask for a copy. Of course, the SECNAV doesn't personally, sign these things, but the question this really raises is who did? Altering the wording on a citation isn't something that would be done by a duty YN at the Navy archives.


19 posted on 08/28/2004 6:24:58 PM PDT by NavVet (“Bendeict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: XJarhead

Kerry MIGHT have asked for a replacement.

Are not the "replacement" certificates done up identical to the original ones, including the "autopen" signatures? That is why the auto pen exists. That way the certificate is truly a "replacement" and time frame signed.

What is more telling to me isn't the fact that this MIGHT be a "replacement" certificate.

Lehman says he didn't ADD THE EXTRA NOTES, which praise Kerry. This is a smoking gun, to me. Someone didn't just put together a "replacement" certificate. They embellished the new one to make Kerry look even better. This has all the hallmarks of Kerry and his MO. He always has to put frosting on his cakes.

Kerry has been building this story, brick by brick since late 60's. Now the story is unraveling, and he is blaming everyone for pointing out the flaws in his house of cards. He isn't taking any blame for building the house of cards in the first place.

Kind reminds me of the 3 little pigs, with the houses getting blown down.

I don't feel one bit sorry for Kerry. I want this story to get fleshed out and the details of when he asked for the replacement and WHO handled it brought to the light of day.


20 posted on 08/28/2004 6:25:32 PM PDT by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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