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Kerry says responsibility for prisoner abuse extends to the White House
AP ^ | 8/25/2004, 7:46 p.m. ET | NEDRA PICKLER

Posted on 08/25/2004 5:26:29 PM PDT by quantim

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry said Wednesday that civilian leaders in the White House and the Pentagon should be held accountable for abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison.

"Harry Truman had that sign on the desk and it said, 'The buck stops here,'" Kerry said. "The buck doesn't stop at the Pentagon."

Responding to an independent report that faulted all levels of the military for prisoner abuse, Kerry repeated his call for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld to resign and for President Bush to appoint an independent commission. He said the commission should investigate "all of the chain of abuses that took place, and why they took place, including the civilian side."

"We are a country that runs on civilian leadership," Kerry said at the top of a town hall meeting at Steamfitters Local 420 Union. "What is also normal is that you have accountability that runs through the civilian command, and it is absolutely left out of those reports. It's absent."

Bush campaign spokesman Steve Schmidt responded: "Today's political attack is just the latest example of John Kerry's willingness to say whatever he believes will benefit him politically."

A report released Tuesday by an independent panel led by former Defense Secretary James R. Schlesinger concluded that senior U.S. military leaders in Iraq and the Pentagon can be faulted for inattention to prisoner abuses, but it did not recommend that Rumsfeld step down.

Details of a second investigation, which focused on the military intelligence unit at Abu Ghraib prison during the abuses, were expected to be released Wednesday. That Army investigation, initially headed by Maj. Gen. George Fay, is expected to blame the intelligence unit and its commanders for some of the abuses at the Iraqi prison.

Kerry said both Rumsfeld and Bush should take responsibility. Minutes after he spoke at the town hall meeting, his campaign issued a statement from Kerry that said, "The time has come for our commander in chief to take charge."

Months before prisoner abuse in Iraq became known, Kerry called for Rumsfeld's resignation because of what he said were numerous mistakes in the prosecution of the war. In May, Kerry rejected concerns that replacing Rumsfeld could hurt the war effort and suggested any number of people could step in, including Republican Sens. John McCain of Arizona and John Warner of Virginia.

Later Wednesday, Kerry spoke to Wisconsin voters in the backyard of a Green Bay home. A woman rose and identified herself as a married mother of three who "came here to try to get a sense of who you are."

"Most of us are middle class," she said. "We clean our own houses and mow our own lawns. What is it about who you are that can help us understand whether you're really for real or not?"

Kerry said voters should judge him by his lifetime of public service. He said although he came from a "comfortable" background, his parents taught him the value of work and he unloaded trucks while in college and sold encyclopedias door to door. He also touted his choice to go to Vietnam "when others chose not to" and his anti-war activism after returning.

"I was compelled enough by what I've seen in war to try to end it so other people didn't have to go through what I'd gone through," Kerry said. "And I spent a number of years of my life working to do that at great risk and obviously, as you can see, with some controversy because some people didn't like it."

A television ad being run by the anti-Kerry Swift Boat Veterans for Truth criticizes Kerry's protests after the war.

Together, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin offer 31 of the 270 electoral college votes needed to win the presidency. Polls show the race nearly even in both states, though Kerry may be gaining ground in Pennsylvania.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abughraib; abughraibreport; kerry; pissant; rumsfeld
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To: quantim
Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry said Wednesday that civilian leaders in the White House and the Pentagon should be held accountable for abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison.

This from a guy who admitted engaging in atrocities and was never held accountable.

21 posted on 08/25/2004 5:40:06 PM PDT by Starboard
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To: quantim

When Kerry burned down huts it was Lyndon Johnson's fault.


22 posted on 08/25/2004 5:40:18 PM PDT by Shermy (Yet another Kerry nanonuance)
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Yes, the Bush administration should be accountable for everything that happens while they're in power.

Doesn't mean you gotta be shrill about it...

23 posted on 08/25/2004 5:40:27 PM PDT by twgiles
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To: twgiles

It was just a few bad apples!


24 posted on 08/25/2004 5:42:02 PM PDT by jfangio
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To: quantim
Of course, he's glomming on to this as an oblique way to justify his rantings and ravings about atrocities, lo those 30 years ago.

Yeah, that'll work!

Meanwhile...

It's my understanding that Barbra Streisand's stepfather used to tell her she was 'too ugly for ice cream.' Well, if she was too ugly for it, jk is too stupid for it.

25 posted on 08/25/2004 5:42:08 PM PDT by AlbionGirl
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To: quantim

Hey sKerry! Put a cork in it!

By the way, have you gotten around to signing that Form 180 yet?
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26 posted on 08/25/2004 5:43:21 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: plain talk

I do believe that the time is coming that the WH will simply be able to laugh at sKerry and that whole campaign...
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27 posted on 08/25/2004 5:44:29 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: quantim
Kerry said voters should judge him by his lifetime of public service. He said although he came from a "comfortable" background, his parents taught him the value of work and he unloaded trucks while in college and sold encyclopedias door to door. He also touted his choice to go to Vietnam "when others chose not to" and his anti-war activism after returning.

So much for Kerry wanting to move on from discussing Vietnam.

28 posted on 08/25/2004 5:45:29 PM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: quantim

We must have a million troops. So if any of those commit a crime the Commander in Chief should resign? We'd never have a president in office. Kerry is a nut.


29 posted on 08/25/2004 5:45:39 PM PDT by Libertina (Abandoning Vietnam: 3.5 million died, (2.5 in Cambodia killing fields), 1.4 mil refugees)
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To: plain talk
Hello,
I have come to the realization that Kerry is totally and completely out to lunch. My six year old son has a better grasp of how to control his emotions than he does. The idea of this lunatic in the White House is beyond scary!

Glad to be here, MOgirl
30 posted on 08/25/2004 5:45:46 PM PDT by MOgirl (In memory of Walton Wayne Callahan, I love you forever.)
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To: quantim
Campaign Meltdown Alert!
31 posted on 08/25/2004 5:45:48 PM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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To: quantim

I'm sure that W is also responsible, in some way, for a star going supernova, 10 million light years away.


32 posted on 08/25/2004 5:46:09 PM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: BluH2o

Don't you wish you were privy to the sKerry camp's Internal polls? ... LoL ...


33 posted on 08/25/2004 5:46:14 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: quantim
The Lying POS is responsible for American POWS being mistreated he should go hide his ugly head.
34 posted on 08/25/2004 5:46:33 PM PDT by Fast1
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To: MOgirl

Dem candidates at this point in a campaign are usually trying to appeal as moderates and yet Kerry is still stuck in his phoney Dean mode (or is it a phoney Al Gore macho attack mode). Middle America isn't buying it and will not elect this version of desperate Kerry. He's done unless Bush makes more mistakes and/or Kerry jumps back to the middle and acts grown-up.


35 posted on 08/25/2004 5:51:04 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: quantim
Kerry repeated his call for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld to resign and for President Bush to appoint an independent commission.

Evidently his supply of Ho Chi Minh "Tea" is continuously replenished.

36 posted on 08/25/2004 5:51:26 PM PDT by kcar (www.TheUNsucks.com)
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To: quantim
The actual criminal misconduct of Mr. Clinton is no big deal and Kerry defended his continuing to hold office. Kerry is again calling for the resignation of Secretary Rumsfeld for the actions of a handful of soldier way down in the command structure.

A Democrat is not responsible even for their own personal misconduct but a Republican should resign from office simply because some low level subordinate misbehaves
37 posted on 08/25/2004 5:51:55 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: Shermy
When Kerry burned down huts it was Lyndon Johnson's fault.

No it wasn't. It was Nixon's fault. Afterall, it was Nixon who sent drizzledrawers to Cambodia.

FMCDH(BITS)

38 posted on 08/25/2004 5:52:05 PM PDT by nothingnew (KERRY: "If at first you don't deceive, lie, lie again!")
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To: quantim
"Harry Truman had that sign on the desk and it said, 'The buck stops here,'" Kerry said. "The buck doesn't stop at the Pentagon."

There must be somebody, somebody, out there in America, who has gotten sick after consuming Heinz ketchup. Where is a sleazy lawyer when you need one? Get Sick Person to court, and have Sleazy Lawyer read off Kerry's quote here.

For dramatic effect, Sleazy Lawyer can pound the table and declare...

"Mister Heinz, the buck does NOT stop at Heinz Ketchup! YOU ARE LIABLE for this poor victim's suffering! The buck stops with YOU!!!"

39 posted on 08/25/2004 5:52:05 PM PDT by boycottliberalhollywood.com (www.boycottliberalhollywood.com - www.twoamericas.us)
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To: quantim

A self confessed War Criminal pretends to be upset about terrorists being hazed.


40 posted on 08/25/2004 5:52:36 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (https://swift1.he.net/~swiftvet/swift/ccdonation.php?op=donate&site=SwiftVets")
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