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Swift Boat Sniping (WaPo [!] Calls Kerry's Conflicting Statements on Cambodia "Troubling")
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Posted on 08/24/2004 3:59:25 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I have this awful feeling that SECNAV John Lehman *sanitized* Kerry's missing records in the 80s, and Kerry's waiting to play them as the ultimate trump card closer to Nov 2. I sure hope I'm wrong.
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posted on
08/24/2004 4:52:00 AM PDT
by
7.62 x 51mm
(• Veni • Vidi • Vino • Visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
To: Registered
hey Registered - can you whip up an "X-Ray" of Kerry's butt with embedded rice in it?
To: governsleastgovernsbest
The beauty would be that there is effectively no response Kerry supporters can make. His own campaign now essentially admitts he wasn't there. I can already hear their response: "That's yesterday's news. Our candidate has already admitted all that. Isn't it time to MoveOn.orgTM?"
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posted on
08/24/2004 4:53:19 AM PDT
by
AB AB AB
(how do I do this, exactly?)
To: Psalm 73
Two Sides Kerry. He doesn't know if he's if he's a liberal or a conservative. Maybe he's both. I bet though, he doesn't really know.
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posted on
08/24/2004 4:53:27 AM PDT
by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
To: governsleastgovernsbest
Kerry-Kat's cooked, no doubt about it.
To: B.Bumbleberry
it was my understanding that Kerry hasn't yet admitted he wasn't there, just that he wasn't there on Christmas but at some later time. Supposedly his historian is coming out with an explanation. Has this changed? Check out this excerpt from an op-ed piece also in today's WaPo. Naturally the Kerry people don't flatly admit he lied, but they're getting awfully close. Here's the URL of the full column:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27211-2004Aug23.html
"Two weeks ago Kerry's spokesmen began to backtrack. First, one campaign aide explained that Kerry had patrolled the Mekong Delta somewhere "between" Cambodia and Vietnam. But there is no between; there is a border. Then another spokesman told reporters that Kerry had been "near Cambodia." But the point of Kerry's 1986 speech was that he personally had taken part in a secret and illegal war in a neutral country. That was only true if he was "in Cambodia," as he had often said he was. If he was merely "near," then his deliberate misstatement falsified the entire speech.
"Next, the campaign leaked a new version through the medium of historian Douglas Brinkley, author of "Tour of Duty," a laudatory book on Kerry's military service. Last week Brinkley told the London Telegraph that while Kerry had been 50 miles from the border on Christmas, he "went into Cambodian waters three or four times in January and February 1969 on clandestine missions." Oddly, though, while Brinkley devotes nearly 100 pages of his book to Kerry's activities that January and February, pinpointing the locations of various battles and often placing Kerry near Cambodia, he nowhere mentions Kerry's crossing into Cambodia, an inconceivable omission if it were true.
"Now a new official statement from the campaign undercuts Brinkley. It offers a minimal (thus harder to impeach) claim: that Kerry "on one occasion crossed into Cambodia," on an unspecified date. But at least two of the shipmates who are supporting Kerry's campaign (and one who is not) deny their boat ever crossed the border, and their testimony on this score is corroborated by Kerry's own journal, kept while on duty. One passage reproduced in Brinkley's book says: "The banks of the [Rach Giang Thanh River] whistled by as we churned out mile after mile at full speed. On my left were occasional open fields that allowed us a clear view into Cambodia. At some points, the border was only fifty yards away and it then would meander out to several hundred or even as much as a thousand yards away, always making one wonder what lay on the other side." His curiosity was never satisfied, because this entry was from Kerry's final mission."
To: COUNTrecount
Yup, Kerry's goose is cooked. And as for the fat lady . . .
To: marty60
Truth and the Compost are strangers. Notice they don't question Kerry's "truthfulness" as normal people would. They question his "candor". Boy, it's a good thing they have a thesaurus to help them find weasel words when they need them!
To: nicmarlo
What Kerry did to the veterans is beyond even the word smear. Their lives were altered in a negative way.
These brave Swift Boat Vets for Truth have gone above and beyond the call of duty to right that wrong.
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow them all the days of their lives.
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posted on
08/24/2004 4:59:44 AM PDT
by
OldFriend
(WAR IS THE REMEDY OUR ENEMIES HAVE CHOSEN)
To: YaYa123
So what is Matthews going to do when Kerry acknowledges his wound as being self inflicted. Pretend that all Kerry's war heroics were poetic license?
Matthews sunk into the depths of the gutter when he treated Michelle Malkin so poorly and now he is paying the price.
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posted on
08/24/2004 5:01:44 AM PDT
by
OldFriend
(WAR IS THE REMEDY OUR ENEMIES HAVE CHOSEN)
To: MrsEmmaPeel
What will it be senator, white rice, brown rice, or long grain rice.......your choice!!!!
Well, how about a little of every kind of rice, just to be safe!
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posted on
08/24/2004 5:03:51 AM PDT
by
OldFriend
(WAR IS THE REMEDY OUR ENEMIES HAVE CHOSEN)
To: TNCMAXQ
I have never once heard of moveon's ads referred to as "Democrat funded." That's because most of moveon's sponsors vote for the Socialist candididate whenever there's one on the ballot ;^)
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posted on
08/24/2004 5:04:42 AM PDT
by
TheRightGuy
(ERROR CODE 018974523: Random Tagline Compiler Failure)
To: governsleastgovernsbest
routine political embroidery that would be: lying
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posted on
08/24/2004 5:12:52 AM PDT
by
Boxsford
To: Boxsford
Only when done by a Republican.
To: OldFriend
Minute Rice, because you need that Purple Heart
right now.
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posted on
08/24/2004 5:27:36 AM PDT
by
EllaMinnow
(swimming through the blogosphere)
To: governsleastgovernsbest
former senator Bob Dole saying this weekend that "there's got to be some truth to the charges" against Mr. Kerry, Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) calling the vice president a "coward" Notice how WaPo capitalizes Senator for Harkin and not for Dole. And, doesn't say that Sen. Dole is a decorated WWII hero, while Harkin lied about his military exploits.
Yet, it gives the same credence to both statements. What a joke for the WaPo. No journalistic standards.
There will be justice.
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posted on
08/24/2004 5:32:59 AM PDT
by
NavySEAL F-16
(Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
To: governsleastgovernsbest
Odd that the Washington Post is "troubled" by proof that Kerry lied about wassailing in Cambodia but remains serene about the proof of cowardice and lying associated with the Rassman river rescue.
John O'Neill has pointed out that Kerry has not only changed his story about Cambodia but he has changed his story about fleeing the scene of the mine explosion on March 13, 1969. Originally, Kerry had maintained that all 5 boats had fled the scene of the explosion. Of Course, the damaged boat - number 4 - could not possible have fled, it later had to be towed, and Kerry has now been forced to the admission that he alone left the scene. This comports fully with the Veterans version and marks a climbdown on Kerry's part. So even if the Washington Post remains untroubled in the face of persuasive logic that there was not hostile fire, it is guilty of willfully missing this act of cowardice which distinguished Kerry's behavior from the other skippers - even if there was actually enemy fire. More, his reversal on this issue is more troubling to me at least than his fibbing and confessing about Cambodia.
The Washington Post also fails to deal with the matter of the purple heart. Was it garnered for a bruised arm or was it awarded for rice in his ass as the medical report suggests? No matter. I have read somewhere by some apologist that he did not claim the rice, only the bruise so he is exonerated for falsly claiming the rice. Does the Washington Post really expect us to regard Kerry's exploitation of two bruises and "rose thorn" wound into three purple hearts to be gallantry? Heroics which justify him in deserting his men in theatre just as he did his comrades that day on the river when he fled and again when he rode off alone leaving his boat and crew behind to go to the hospital ship to have his bruise documented?
No man left behind, indeed!
These are matters which obtain even if the boats were taken under fire. The Washington Post has cannily resorted to an old trick out of the Lanny Davis bag, set up a strawman, destroy it and divert attention from the real issue.
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posted on
08/24/2004 5:43:51 AM PDT
by
nathanbedford
(Attack, repeat, attack... Bull Halsey)
To: EllaMinnow
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posted on
08/24/2004 5:47:22 AM PDT
by
OldFriend
(WAR IS THE REMEDY OUR ENEMIES HAVE CHOSEN)
To: Belisaurius
Well, the vast majority of the donors to Swift Vets are Republican, so, in a literal sense, ABC is telling the truth. Your statement is unprovable, since the 200,000-plus donations to the SBVT since the first ad's release - and this total is probably much greater now - average, according to the SBVT site, $59. The initial "seed money" certainly was from Republicans, but the many who are now contributing may be nonvoting Vietnam veterans who want revenge for Kerry's lies in 1971, or independents fed up with media bias, people who simply hate Kerry, nonRepublican libertarians, or nonpartisan conservatives.
In any case, a truthful news outlet would not say "funded by Republicans", since that is not verifiable. Oh, never mind, this is ABC News we're talking about, isn't it?
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posted on
08/24/2004 5:55:00 AM PDT
by
TheGeezer
(If only I had skin as thick as Ann Coulter, and but half her intelligence...)
To: TheGeezer
Whoa there skippy. I'm a Swift Vet supporter who happens to be Republican. I am not a Swift Vet reported because I am Republican. Republicans are heavily donating to SwiftVets. ABC is 'literally' right, but they don't really get it.
Republicans aren't donating to SwiftVets because we support BC'04.
Republicans donate to SwiftVets because they are a group of men who are bringing down a faux war hero who lied about their service and collaberated with the enemy.
Republicans are donating to the SwiftVets because they are patriots, just like we are.
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posted on
08/24/2004 6:38:25 AM PDT
by
Belisaurius
("Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, Ted" - Joseph Kennedy 1958)
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