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Fred Barnes: The Bloody Shirt Is Back (Did you know John Kerry served in Vietnam?)
The Weekly Standard ^ | August 30, 2004 | Fred Barnes

Posted on 08/20/2004 8:59:58 PM PDT by RWR8189

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To: Valin
Well I forgive you. But WATCH IT! Not every body is as kind, caring, and sensitive as I am.

I agree with you wholeheartedly! ;-)

61 posted on 08/21/2004 7:28:33 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: DianeDePoitiers; sarasmom; arasina
I agree with all of you that what Kerry did in Vietnam was important, and I think what he did immediately after was despicable.

There's kind of a fine line that must be walked here, since George Bush and Dick Cheney did not serve in Vietnam (note I said in Vietnam).

I hope it works. It's amazing, and scary, to me how many military people and families seem to be supporting Kerry-Edwards.

I think there needs to be more focus, by the RNC, by the press (haha), by someone, on Kerry's record NOW.

For instance, I heard Kerry on NPR news attacking President Bush's medicare prescription drug plan. I happen to agree with many of the criticisms, like the govt not being allowed to negotiate prices with the drug companies. However, where was Kerry when the bill was being debated in the Senate? None of the reporters asked what his contribution to passing (or trying to stop) the bill was, and he obviously had a part in it, or should have....

There are plenty of flip-flops and places he has voted against the military and national security in recent history without going back 30-40 years.

I will agree that Kerry does keep bringing it up, and I do agree that it seems to be having an effect. Just worried about that fine line.

62 posted on 08/21/2004 7:39:45 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: sinkspur
Look how Kerry's camp is scrambling. They don't know what to say about these guys.

Really good point.

63 posted on 08/21/2004 7:40:36 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia

I'd like to see a pincer movement. Let the Vets pound him on Viet Nam while at the same time the Republicans pound him on his abysmal Senate record. This would force Kerry to respond on two fronts.


64 posted on 08/21/2004 7:41:22 AM PDT by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: Valin

Kerry's fixation on Vietnam is a little weird. Like a lot of radical leftists, he looks at the Vietnam Protests as the Genesis of their movement, a moment where the World Came Together in Shared Consciousness, or whatever.

Perhaps part of John Kerry remains disappointed that the revolution didn't happen as planned, and he desperately wants to defend what they all did, and force America to issue a referendum on what he regards as the most significant event of the 20th century.

It's obvious he still obsesses over it.


65 posted on 08/21/2004 7:53:06 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: Valin

I dated this really nice guy for a while. I knew he had been in the military. I did not know he had been a Green Beret - until a friend of mine came up behind him and 'poked' him in the back. Needless to say, that friend never did that again.


66 posted on 08/21/2004 8:02:15 AM PDT by mathluv (Protect my grandchildren's future. Vote for Bush/Cheney '04.)
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To: RWR8189
Not-so-instant Karma goin' to get kerry.
Karma says: The Slander of a Lifetime met much later with The Fragging of a Lifetime.
Enjoy, kerry, you earned it!
How does it feel to have it 'brought on?'

'Come gather 'round people
wherever you roam...
And admit that the waters around you have grown,
And accept it, that soon you'll be drenched to the bone!
For the times, they are a 'changin.

...and you'd better start swimming,
or you'll sink like a stone
For the times, they are a 'changin.

Disclaimer: Meant for the consumption of real poets and lovers of real poetry, as opposed to those apeing poets, and lovers thereof, known as springsteen and his boisterous boys of Bayone.

67 posted on 08/21/2004 8:10:06 AM PDT by AlbionGirl
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To: Zack Nguyen

They REALLY need to get (chose 1)
1 A life
2 A clue
3 Laid


68 posted on 08/21/2004 8:11:46 AM PDT by Valin (Mind like a steel trap - rusty and illegal in 37 states.)
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To: Amelia
:-)
69 posted on 08/21/2004 8:12:37 AM PDT by Valin (Mind like a steel trap - rusty and illegal in 37 states.)
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To: fizziwig
"With real-deal hardcore combat types, you generally have to be REALLY patient to hear their stories. The poseurs are the ones who yap about it every five minutes."

That has been my experience too. Had a good friend who fought in the Battle of the Bulge. It was like pulling teeth to get him to talk about it. Eventually I gave up.

My uncle was always hard of hearing, and I never thought anything about it. I knew he served in the Army, but thought it was in peacetime. After he died, my brother told me he was an artilleryman in the Pacific in WWII. My uncle had never said a word about it.

70 posted on 08/21/2004 8:13:58 AM PDT by Hardastarboard
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To: fizziwig

My father-in-law is a retired colonel (USMC) who served 2 tours in 'nam. The only thing I've ever heard him say anything at all about his experiences, is when he indicated the only time he slept on the ground was during wartime.


71 posted on 08/21/2004 8:23:27 AM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: RWR8189

Mistakes

1) Democrats nominate John Kerry, an anti-war, flip-flopping candidate with a weak political resume.

2) John Kerry focuses the entire campaign on his four (4) months of service in VietNam.

3) John Edwards challenges that if you want to know the character of John Kerry, then just ask the men who served with him. (paraphrase)

4) John O'Neill organizes Swift Vets for Truth as a 527 organization to challenge the Kerry claims and John Kerry responds. (Bush did the opposite for liberal 527's).

This will be the mid-November autopsy of the 2004 Presidential Election.


72 posted on 08/21/2004 8:37:25 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: Amelia

"And I would humbly submit that the GOP is making a mistake by continuing to focus on Vietnam, rather than focusing on his Senate record."

The GOP isn't focusing on Kerry's service in Vietnam....Kerry is!


73 posted on 08/21/2004 9:07:10 AM PDT by Arpege92 (Moore is so fat that when he hauls a$$ it takes two trips - tractorman!)
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To: dk/coro

I can't even imagine the hurt our soldiers must have felt when their own country couldn't take the time out to welcome them home or even say thank you for your service.

I didn't realize how bad it really was for Vietnam Vets until I witnessed my uncle break down and cry when he saw the way our country welcomed home the soldiers after the first Gulf War. My brother was one of those soldiers and he had our parents and his girlfriend welcoming him home. Although my uncle had huge respect for these soldiers, he couldn't help but be angry and sad that Vietnam Vets didn't get the recognition they so desperately deserved.

My uncle passed away a few years ago and the only way that we can honor these Vietnam Vets is to make sure that no soldier ever experience what they experienced when coming home from war.


74 posted on 08/21/2004 9:36:31 AM PDT by Arpege92 (Moore is so fat that when he hauls a$$ it takes two trips - tractorman!)
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To: RWR8189
Kerry's sunk.

There's nothing wrong with running on a war record, except when you spat on your fellow vets and achieved a purple heart with a self-inflicted nick cured by a tweaser and a bandaid.

Boy, it's amazing how dumb the dem's think we are.

(I just hope we don't prove them right.)

75 posted on 08/21/2004 4:00:06 PM PDT by Cincincinati Spiritus (a flittering shade merely)
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To: Molly Pitcher

ping


76 posted on 08/23/2004 3:12:31 AM PDT by The Raven (The most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help)
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To: SBprone

Kennedy's PT boat was cut in half by a Japanese destroyer. Inattentive at his comand and should have been relieved of duty/court martialed. Kennedy was no war hero either, but he did have class. Kerry in reality, has neither of these except the ability to repeatedly lie and use others to advance his shameful career. SBprone, my response is not meant to be sarcastic.I just wanted to describe what happened to PT 109 and how kennedy should have been dealt with in the incident. (Kennedy's are above the law so they think.) Bush/Cheney 2004


77 posted on 08/23/2004 4:20:15 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat (These Colors Never Run( 7.62) "See Ya"ll At The VA Clinic" "Xin Loi My Boy")
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To: RWR8189

I'm wondering who on Kerry's campaign came up with the brilliant idea of making his 4 months in Vietnam the cornerstone of his campaign. This will certainly be the end of their career.


78 posted on 08/23/2004 4:34:12 AM PDT by Casloy
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To: The Raven

Fred's got some good lines here...


79 posted on 08/23/2004 4:55:36 AM PDT by Molly Pitcher
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