I'm not the person to ping to these sorts of things. I think his combat service is inappropriate for politics, and would prefer to see us concentrate on what Kerry did *after* he came back home.
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Posted on 08/18/2004 10:54:53 AM PDT by Chieftain
Kerry Krew member Del Sandusky coming to Gainesville FL tonight for veterans for Kerry meeting. FReepers plan to infiltrate for behind enemy lines ambush by asking him revealing questions regarding Hanoi John and all the Vietnam lies.
Please post your good questions for us to use to nail him.
How about this one: Do you have one of those shaving mirrors that has a dull strip where your eyes are, (so you don't have to look yourself in the eye every morning)?
How about this one: DO you practice Kerryism as a your religion? WHy did you need to call Kerry for 'prayer' after your divorce. He is a catholic in name only and NOT a priest. How much did you hit him up for to keep quiet?
Vietnam POWs Say Kerry's Words and Deeds Were Used by Guards to Torture Them
INSIGHT ^ | AUGUST 4 EDITION | Richard Tomkins, UPI White House correspondent
Posted on 08/09/2004 2:06:47 PM PDT by Liz
John Kerry accused American GIs of widespread war crimes while testifying before Congress in the early 1970s.
John Kerry's bid to become commander in chief of wartime America has opened old wounds among some former Vietnam-era POWs who bristle over Kerry's antiwar activism and atrocity allegations during the Vietnam conflict.
Those activities and statements, pushed out of sight by a campaign that spotlights Kerry's service in Vietnam, were used by the POWs' North Vietnamese captors to sap the morale of prisoners and U.S. troops still in the field in South Vietnam, former POWs told United Press International. "They were always talking about that [antiwar demonstrations], and they picked right up on Kerry's throw-away line, 'Don't be the last man to die in a lost cause, or die for a lost cause,'" said Kenneth Cordier, an Air Force pilot who spent 2,284 days as a prisoner. "They repeated that incessantly. ... They used these photographs and inputs, voice tapes, whatever, from these peace people to try to convince us the whole country had turned antiwar and we were showing a very bad attitude and would never go home."
Jim Warner, a prisoner of the North Vietnamese in the Hoa Lo prison complex -- known to U.S. servicemen as the Hanoi Hilton -- remembers Kerry. He became acquainted with him, he said, when a North Vietnamese guard and interrogator the prisoners nicknamed "Boris" took Warner to the quiz shack in the complex's punishment camp called "Skid Row" in May 1971.
During a four-hour propaganda and harassment session, Boris pulled papers from his pocket and gave them to Warner to think about, he said. Some were clippings from a leftist newspaper in the United States. The other was a typewritten transcript of Kerry's testimony before a U.S. Senate panel in which he repeated allegations of U.S. troops routinely committing atrocities, attacking the war and saying communism was not a threat in Vietnam.
The atrocity allegations were garnered from the so-called Winter Soldier Investigation in Detroit in early 1971, in which actress and activist Jane Fonda and Kerry, a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), were involved. At that event people claiming to have seen combat in Vietnam alleged committing atrocities -- rape, cutting off of ears and heads, murdering women and children -- on a routine basis and with the knowledge of their superiors. Many of the allegations proved false or could not be documented, and the veracity and identities of many witnesses later came into question.
"It was the stuff about the Winter Soldier," Warner said. "The paper he showed me, the statements from John Kerry, were separate. And the stuff that was supposed to be from Kerry was a typewritten transcript of a few pages, but he was pointing to the statements. I can't quote the statements, but essentially they were the same as those being played now on talk shows of his testimony in front of the Senate."
Warner was in his Marine Corps F-4B aircraft when he was shot down over North Vietnam on Oct. 13, 1967, and was held for 1,979 days. He told UPI that in that confrontation with the North Vietnamese officer he was told "these statements [by Kerry] ... were proof I deserved to be punished. I was pretty sure they weren't going to do anything, but in the summer of '69 they had spent four months trying to get information out of me, and I still had the memory of my mistreatment -- sleep deprivation, leg irons, a cement box in the sun [and feet and ankles swollen from chains digging into the flesh].
"The memory of that was still pretty fresh in my mind, and I was extremely uneasy. Every time he mentioned [the papers], this officer said I committed crimes, that this war was illegal. I just had no idea. ... All along they told us they would execute us for our 'crimes.'" Particularly galling for Warner was his parents' brief participation at an antiwar event in Detroit where they said their son was a prisoner and they hoped he would be released. Warner said he never spoke to his parents about that after his return -- it just wasn't something talked about -- but his sisters had told him Fonda and Kerry were involved in getting his parents to appear, an appearance he believes lent a measure of respectability to the event. Warner said Kerry and VVAW, which had staged large demonstrations in Washington, often were mentioned in the radio broadcasts that played incessantly over the camp's loudspeakers.
"On our [former POW] listserve there are many people who mention hearing Kerry on Radio Hanoi and how much that infuriated them," Warner said, "but I don't know of anyone else confronted like that."
Cordier, now living in Texas, doesn't recall Kerry's name specifically being used in interrogations, propaganda broadcasts by Hanoi Hannah (Radio Vietnam) or during "attitude checks" -- political indoctrination sessions -- since Kerry was then not a household name. But he said he does remember the North Vietnamese using the so-called Winter Soldier investigations and photographs of war veterans, both real and imposters, throwing military medals over the White House fence.
Paul Galanti, a former Navy pilot who spent 2,432 days in captivity and worked on the 2000 primary campaign of fellow former POW Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), also remembers the broadcasts.
"It was propaganda. They stopped torturing us after Ho Chi Minh died pretty much, but all that stuff we got banged on -- they wanted us to say and to confess to war crimes and killing babies and all this other stuff," he said. "They kept talking about Vietnam Veterans Against the War, they had seen the right way and blah, blah, blah, and they were on our side, they had crossed over to the peoples' side and all that stuff."
Galanti said he didn't know Kerry's name then, although he had seen a newspaper photograph while in captivity that showed someone who looked like Lurch (a character in The Addams Family television show in the mid-sixties). Like others, they had only heard newscasts about a former Navy lieutenant and the antiwar movement. "I figured out who it was later," he said.
Cordier, Warner and Galanti said although the antiwar protest propaganda was sometimes disheartening, the North Vietnamese failed in their attempt to use it to break the prisoners' will.
"It didn't make us want to give up, it just made us feel discouraged that there were people who felt that way about us," said Warner, who works as a corporate attorney.
Cordier, Galanti and Warner are dead set against Kerry becoming president. Cordier says it's just not Kerry's antiwar past, but his record till now, including his voting against funds for troops in Iraq.
"The measure of a person's character is their whole history up until the present," he said. "It's not what they say they believe or what they'll do when president or all these platitudes. ... And he has consistently taken the side of our enemies and other countries that oppose us or have a different viewpoint."
Joe Crecca, who was shot down over North Vietnam in 1966 and held for 2,280 days, won't be supporting Kerry either, accusing him of having "betrayed those who served with him by falsely accusing them of war crimes and a host of other things as soon as he returned to the U.S.A."
Retired Adm. Jeremiah Denton -- held 2,766 days -- helps lead Vets4Bush. Everett Alvarez, who at 3,113 days was the longest-held prisoner of the North Vietnamese, would say only that he would be considered partisan since he had been a Reagan administration appointee.
McCain, who is campaigning for Bush, also was a prisoner at the Hanoi Hilton and counts himself as a friend of Kerry. Calls to his office for comment for this article were not returned. However, in 1973, shortly after his release from the Hanoi Hilton, McCain had a strong negative opinion on prominent antiwar activists, although he did not know Kerry by name at the time.
The Kerry campaign, asked to comment, sent UPI an e-mail message that included two quotes from a Oct. 21, 1996, New Yorker article entitled "A Friendship that Ended the War" and asked they be included.
"John McCain has never changed his mind about Kerry's participation in that antiwar demonstration, but he has changed his mind about the man," the article stated. "When I asked McCain if he would be campaigning for [former Massachusetts Gov. William Weld, who ran against Kerry for Senate], he shook his head, an emphatic no. 'I simply would not do such a thing. I couldn't do that. ... I'm surprised you would ask. ... Going to campaign against John Kerry is something I wouldn't consider.'"
The second quote from the same New Yorker article the Kerry campaign wanted cited was from Kerry in the same interview: "'We started talking about the war, and Vietnam, prison -- what happened to him and all that. ... Nothing had brought us together before, and we just talked. We talked about what I had done.' Kerry was referring to the episode that McCain had denounced in the 1984 campaign. 'But by now it wasn't a big hurdle,' he went on. 'To his credit, he didn't make it one. He made it clear that he had moved beyond all that. ... The war was a tough period for a lot of people, for a lot of reasons. Both of us decided to put all that kind of stuff behind us, and work together at something.'"
During the Democratic National Convention in Boston last week, a number of anti-Kerry veterans' groups participated in demonstrations opposing Kerry's campaign for the nation's top job, and other groups have more demonstration plans in the works.
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth -- former Navy patrol-boat crews, including former comrades and a crewmate of Kerry in Vietnam -- publicly came out in opposition to the senator from Massachusetts last May and plan to launch a television ad attacking his candidacy later this month.
Kerry, meanwhile, is attempting to organize other veterans into a reliable voting bloc. His campaign works with several people who served with Kerry during his four-month stay in Vietnam as testimonials to his service. In July Kerry told CBS's Dan Rather that he was "very proud" of having been a leader of the antiwar movement but admitted some of his language may have been too strong.
Richard Tomkins is a White House correspondent for Insight's sister news service, United Press International.
And do be respectful of Sandusky. He's a veteran too.
I think if I had the chance to ask these guys any question at all it would be to ask:
"Have you read UNFIT FOR COMMAND?"
Freepmail me your Email addy. I have one doc that won't post correctly (Senate Record)
http://www.brookesnews.com ^ | Monday 16 August 2004 |
Addison Ross
Posted on 08/15/2004 9:58:21 AM PDT by luv2ndamend
John Kerry has undergone so many contortions to avoid admitting he lied when he told the Senate in 1986 that President Nixon had illegally ordered him to enter Cambodia. (The Dem slogan seems to be: If in doubt, blame Nixon). For John Kerry to have successfully maintained his Cambodian fiction his lie would have had to be difficult or impossible to refute.
The Cambodian lie revealed that Kerry really is not that bright. To state that Nixon ordered him into Cambodia when in fact the then-president was L. B. Johnson was an incredibly stupid thing to do. If nothing else this lie should have immediately alerted people to Kerry's dishonesty and his intellectual limitations.
Once it was conclusively shown that it was physically impossible for him to have been in Cambodia on Christmas Eve 1968 his minions immediately changed the story, giving us four versions in all. This only served to highlight the original lie.
Now his hagiographer Doug Brinkley intends to revise his biography to accommodate Kerry's latest version of his Cambodian fiction, which is that he entered the country in January 1969. (How he can be confused about an incident that was "seared" into his mind, or so he told the Senate, is something he and his supporters have seen fit not to explain).
So far Kerry has been unable to provide a shred of evidence for his new claim, not that this bothers the leftist media or the sycophantic Brinkley.
No matter how John Kerry twists and turns he cannot escape the fact that he has been exposed as an outrageous liar. The real question of why he lied has nothing to do with details of the lie but his motives. It is my belief that he lied to aid the Marxist-Leninist conquest of Central America.
President Reagan's policy of breaking the Soviet empire quickly brought out Kerry's pro-communist sympathies. For instance, the liberation of Grenada from a bunch of vicious Marxist-Leninist was denounced by John Kerry as "a bully's show of force." He expressed no views on the regime's tendency to machine-gun suspected opponents.
When Reagan moved to oppose the communist conquest of Central America, John Kerry sided with the Marxist-Leninist Sandinistas, enthusiastically putting his signature to the infamous "Dear Comandante" letter that fellow Democrats sent to Sandinista leader Daniel Ortega.
Reagan's obvious determination to defeat the Marxist-Leninist drive into Central America clearly upset Kerry. In a public display of contempt for President Reagan and his anti-communist policies the patriotic John Kerry and Tom Harkin flew down to Nicaragua in 1984 to commiserate with the America-hating Ortega.
In a transparent attempt to scuttle Reagan's anti-communist policies towards the region John Kerry took to the Senate floor in 1986 and regaled that body with the calculated fiction that he had been forced serve illegally in Cambodia during Christmas 1968.
His argument being that 'illegal' actions like this had mired America in an unwinnable war in Vietnam and that Reagan was now doing the same in Central America. Both assertions were lies.
So John Kerry carefully crafted this premeditated lie in an attempt to swing the Senate against President Reagan's policy of defeating America's enemies.
Despite communism's bloodstained record and history of ruthless conquests John Kerry still stated: "There is no threat. The Communists are not about to take over our McDonald hamburger stands." This is how in 1971 he disdainfully dismissed communism's history in Eastern Europe, China, North Korea and Cuba.
Despite Pol Pot's genocide, the barbarism of the Hanoi regime, the 1979 invasion of Afghanistan and the atrocities committed by the Marxist-Leninist Sandinistas Kerry still stood by his outlandish statement.
This is why he used his position as a Senator to try and overturn anti-communist policies, slash defence spending and oppose every new weapons system, render the nation's intelligence agencies impotent by hacking away at their budgets while hedging them in with regulations that severely hampered their ability to gather intelligence. (I suppose this is the kind of thing every red-blooded patriot does when he enters the Senate).
John Kerry's attitude to terrorism is not so different from his attitude to communism. He called the threat from international terrorism an "exaggeration" and "misleading". How anyone after the Twin Towers atrocity can call a threat from al-Qaeda, or any other terrorist group, an "exaggeration" and "misleading" leaves me completely speechless. But this is precisely what John Kerry did Deep down John Kerry does not like America and he certainly does not like American power. To him America is at fault, not its enemies. This is why his Cambodian lie matters. Examining it leads us to his record regarding this country's enemies.
Not only does his record demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that his is neither morally nor intellectually fit to sit in the Oval Office so do his recent comments on troop withdrawals from Iraq. To publicly promise withdrawals within 6 months of his inauguration will demoralise our friends in Iraq and encourage terrorists to intensify their murderous activities.
If this is how he is going to deal with Middle East threats imagine his response to the growing Marxist-Leninist to Venezuela, Bolivia, Peru, Colombia and Ecuador. But then he has a soft spot for leftwing regimes. Perhaps he thinks they are "agrarian reformers".
If Kerry was elected and carried out his policy of surrender in Iraq which country or freedom-group in its right mind would ever again trust the word of the US? His is a policy of continuous weakness in the face of terrorism that would surely invite even more terrorism. Without a doubt, John Kerry is a very dangerous and very stupid man.
Would it have been possible for Kerry's swiftboat to have been ordered into Cambodia without his commanding officer(s) knowing about it?
Got any good questions for Del Sandusky, Kerry supporrter and swift boat crew member?
This came from HiJinx who's lurking but can't post at work:
Two related questions: "Did you serve with Kerry for his entire tour?" If
the answer is yes, then, "When did the two of you go to Cambodia?"
Third question: "Did you participate in Kerry's unpatriotic and treasonous
activities with the Vietnam Vets Against the War when you came home?" If
you support Kerry, then why not?
I'm not the person to ping to these sorts of things. I think his combat service is inappropriate for politics, and would prefer to see us concentrate on what Kerry did *after* he came back home.
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Outstanding article!
Thanks so much
I am, however, interested in what happened after they came home. Did Sandusky participate in anti-war protests after he came home?
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Thanks
Ask Sandusky what John Kerry has done (since Kerry's service in Vietnam) that earns his support. Ask for specific examples?
Do they have to clear interviews with Kerry's camp?
First thing you have to realize is that Sandusky isn't the sharpest knife in the box, he gets easily rattled and his answers often times, make no sense.
Sandusky may not want to committ to any specific versions of his stories, now. Because the heat is on and Sandusky is not light on his feet when confronted.
The first thing you have to ask Sandusky:
Did John Kerry pay for your stint in alcohol rehab ?
Are you still being treated for depression ?
BY SCOTT MacKAY
Journal Staff Writer ( Providence )
"Over the years, Kerry has remained close to many of his crewmates, helping some cope with life's rough patches;
he helped arrange for Del Sandusky, a crewmate who was on FleetCenter stage last Thursday,
to receive help for alcohol abuse and depression years ago and kept in touch with Sandusky's doctors for years after."
Ask him to elaborate on how Kerry saved his life and vice versa.
" The Big Story With John Gibson," July 30,2004
SANDUSKY: The warrior in John Kerry. You know, when we were together in Vietnam, he saved our lives, we saved his.
Kerry obviously has home movies from Vietnam. However, Sandusky denies Kerry ever made movies. Ask him to square this.
SANDUSKY: ... I was with John Kerry. We never had time to shoot movies or do any staging for any political reason or any other use that just a home movie.
Ask Sandusky when he beached the boat, if there was a bunker of VC-as Kerry apparently claimed in his report.
Or was there just one teenager, as the other eyewitnesses reported.
Tommy Belodeau shot the teen ager in the legs, with an M- 60.
Kerry claims the VC took of running, but, many eyewitnesses claimed differently.
Ask Sandusky if he received an email from Fred Short( a Kerry swiftee ) in 2002, where Short claimed that the kids legs looked " like hamburger."
Short has since denied sending the email, but, many swiftees say they received it.( Unfit For Command)
In 1996, Belodeau told the Boston Globe, that the kid was so wounded-" he crawled behind a hooch."
Belodeau said the kid was near death and Kerry finished him off.
It might be interesting to get Sandusky's official version of the situation on the beach.
Ask him if he every did any gun running to the anti-commies while serving with hanoi john.
Did they know John Kerry called Admiral Hoffmann and told him he'd change his biography if Swift Boat Veterans for Truth backed off?
An excerpt from, Unfit for Command.
***On March 15, 2004, Admiral Hoffmann's telephone rang again. Once again, the caller was John Kerry. Kerry had clinched the Democratic nomination, and he
knew that Hoffmann was organizing Swiftees to bring out the truth about him, his exaggerated military record, and his antiwar lies that had slandered his fellow
veterans. Kerry made the admiral an offer: If you will back off and drop your efforts, I will ensure that my biography, Tour of Duty, which I know is unfair to you,
will be changed to make it accurate in a revised edition. Here is my secretary's number - you can get me anytime.
The offer from the Democratic presidential candidate was an attempt to flatter Hoffmann, a warrior whose coin is not power or wealth, but honnor--an honor deeply
impugned by Kerry's book. Hoffman, after all, is a wounded survivor of the amphibious assault at Wonson, Korea, where his minesweeper still lies below the frigid
waters of Wonson Harbor. Kerry knew that winning Hoffmann over to his side would thwart the Swiftees' efforts to discredit him. Hoffmann told Kerry that he and
the vast majority of his shipmates could never forgive him for his defamation of our Navy and other U.S. Armed Forces by his slanderous and undocumented
accusations of unspeakable atrocities in Vietnam before the U.S. COngress in 1971, his leadership in the VVAW, and his association with the traitorous Jane Fonda
and others of her ilk. Surprisingly, Kerry responded by simply saying that he "was expressing his conviction."
If Admiral Hoffmann were truly a butcher whose conduct "sickens" John Kerry to this day, an impression one could easily gain from reading Tour of Duty, then why
did Kerry offer to change inaccuracies he knew were in Tour of Duty in exchange for Admiral Hoffmann and the Swiftees ceasing their activities? In emails on May
3, 2003, and on May 7, 2004,trying to dissuade Swiftees from joining Admiral Hoffmann, Wade Sanders referred to the group as "bitter drunks," something the
sailors involved deeply resented. Moreover, Sanders referred to Joe Ponder, a seriously disabled Swiftee who cried when talking about Kerry's charges, as "a
whining crybaby."*** - pages 68-69
Or the POW/MIA betrayal. Cards/slips of paper with FR's url would be nice to hand out. I used our Print Master program and made business cards up and just printed them out on plain paper. It's easier than people trying to remember the URL addy.
Who knows, I am talking about him answering veterans questions about Kerry, as it is billed as a Veterans for Kerry rally. Any veterans there should feel indignant if that's the case an dthere don't alolow questions.
If they say no questions, I don't have any problem to raise a ruckus and scream "KERRY'S A FRAUD, AND SO ARE YOU!!"
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