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Kerry’s Brief Brotherhood
National Review Online ^ | Byron York

Posted on 08/16/2004 6:07:43 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: mwl1
I don't know what he is going to do, but he is going to pull some stunt and attempt some way out of this, because the stonewalling is not working.

Maybe he'll be a no-show, on account of a flare up of an old war injury. Nobody wants to pick on a guy who has a health problem, especially not for the problem itself.

41 posted on 08/16/2004 7:37:36 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Quix
"WHY are these idiots so supportive of SKERRY when most everyone with a brain level above a slug can tell the guy is as hollow and phoney as a $3 bill."

My 'take' is that the 'relatives' and friends and friends of friends; imagine they have a built-in immunity from the 'negatives' of Kerry; key word here; being 'imagine'. . .

. . .also; many of these folks have been successfully brainwashed by a 'skerry media' into 'hating Bush' and believing Skerry is the 'Buddha on the road'. . .and who really, do not know anything; beyond the fact that maybe the Skerry 'personality' is not sooooo great; but 'what the heck'.

Think it a bigger mystery that the media who really know him to be arrogant and obnoxious and a sociopathic liar; would so determinedly and steadfastly, create a positive spin for this guy.

Can only say for these Demrats; 'hate IS a beautiful thing'.

42 posted on 08/16/2004 7:52:14 AM PDT by cricket (Don't Lose Your Head. . .Vote Republican)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

In those ads we always see, Kerry is running around the country side with neither crew or boat in sight. I thought the Captain was always suppose to stay with his ship and look after his crew.


43 posted on 08/16/2004 7:55:07 AM PDT by Piquaboy
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To: ProudVet77

According to Unfit for Command, Kerry took over PCF 94 in "early February."


44 posted on 08/16/2004 7:59:02 AM PDT by kabar
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To: sockmonkey
Am going to get this book!. . .Anyway, I don't go to the Library; but do wonder, for those who do 'reach out' at their local library; if this book is making it's way onto the shelves and not being 'overlooked'; or just ignored.

Plan to visit Barnes and Noble today; and check on availability. Also, it seems they always need a little re-arranging of their books - and I am glad to help, of course. So see a visit to these stores; et al; as a kind of 'civic duty' - so to speak. ;^)

45 posted on 08/16/2004 8:01:29 AM PDT by cricket (Don't Lose Your Head. . .Vote Republican)
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To: Kozak
Bought and Paid for. But the slander on the Swift Boat Vets for Truth is they are "Republican operatives". Where is the vaunted Fourth Estate, those Watchdogs of our Liberty.

Excellent point. Kerry is keeping them on a short leash and his campaign leaves no doubt that these guys can't be trusted to tell their story without a handler being involved.

46 posted on 08/16/2004 8:02:36 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Piquaboy

It was almost unheard of (and frowned upon) to beach a boat or leave it.


47 posted on 08/16/2004 8:10:09 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: battlegearboat

Thank you battlegearboat.


48 posted on 08/16/2004 8:11:52 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cboldt
The Kerry/Alston point is a minor issue -- but helpful inasmuch as it induces a look into the Swiftees contentions about the circumstances that resulting in the improvident granting of medals, and in Kerry's lies that the Swiftees engaged in war atrocities.

The Kerry/Alston point is also helpful in dispelling the myth that these BOB built up a close relationship based on their long service together. If Alston only served with Kerry for a week, why give him such prominence? Because he is black preacher. You can bet that Kerry's people wrote Alston's convention speech including the implied idea that Alston was present when Kerry beached the boat during the Silver Star episode.

What we really need is a breakdown of the Band of Brothers showing when they served with Kerry. We know Gardner served over two months with Kerry, perhaps the longest of them all. Yet, he is with SBVFT. It would be very revealing.

49 posted on 08/16/2004 8:12:20 AM PDT by kabar
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To: battlegearboat
"It's very easy for me to understand the doctor's (the doctor who treated Kerry's "wound") clear recollection of the incident as he undoubtedly was disgusted at having to take precious time away from his frantic work pace to deal with the self-serving scummy naval officer who was clearly there in order to document his phony quest for a Purple Heart."

That should be enough for any skerry supporter to want to reconsider their options; but. . .

Kerry record should also be a real warning to people re Kerry's committment to 'reporting for duty' and the hypocritical and fraudulent intentions contained in that promise.

(He was a fraud then, when he 'reported'; and a fraud now as he repeats this same false committment. WAKE-up skerry folks!)

50 posted on 08/16/2004 8:13:03 AM PDT by cricket (Don't Lose Your Head. . .Vote Republican)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
That Post is a keeper.

BUMP!

51 posted on 08/16/2004 8:14:13 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: kabar

Haven't read the book, and probably won't. But I suspect he took over the boat on Jan 29th on paper. Each boat needs an OIC. But if the boat is An Thoi just sitting there he was in charge of nothing. Since the first patrol wasn't till Feb 17th. So in a way both reports are consistant.
Of interest is that Kerry was a avilable right away to take over for Peck the next day. My guess is that Kerry was sitting on his duff. Why wasn't he still in command of the 44?


52 posted on 08/16/2004 8:15:16 AM PDT by ProudVet77 (So many questions for Kerry - so few answers from Kerry)
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To: Cboldt
He may broadly denounce reviews of history, claiming that they only open old wounds, but he is crazy if he says anything about his personal history (e.g., "It's unfair that I am attacked, while you men were not").

He is crazy or at least obsessed that he is a war hero. I bet he says something about knowing what it is like to be in combat and that he proudly fought for his country. He will strike up a unity theme, but Kerry just can't resist alluding to his personal experience in Vietnam. He is, after all, a VFW member, which GWB is not.

53 posted on 08/16/2004 8:17:23 AM PDT by kabar
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To: battlegearboat

Thank you for your service


54 posted on 08/16/2004 8:19:41 AM PDT by SpitfyrAce
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To: Happy2BMe

Ping!


55 posted on 08/16/2004 8:20:40 AM PDT by KriegerGeist (Lifetime membership of the "Radical-Right-Wing-Kook-Factor")
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To: kabar
If Alston only served with Kerry for a week ...

I'll give Alston the benefit of this, that "served with" includes more activity than being on the same boat, or even being in the same flotilla. With this understanding of "served with," I figure Kerry and Alston's relationship is longer than one week.

That being said, the phrasing that Kerry and Alston use naturally leads to a false conclusion about the nature of their time together. That is a deliberate deception, no doubt. But, it is a small deception compared with lying about hostile action in order to obtain medals.

56 posted on 08/16/2004 8:25:08 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: ProudVet77
Haven't read the book, and probably won't. But I suspect he took over the boat on Jan 29th on paper. Each boat needs an OIC.

I'll stick with what the SBVFT say about the date of transfer. The action involving Tedd Peck took place on January 29 and the boat was damaged extensively with more than 100 rounds going through the aluminum skin. Repairs were needed. Kerry was still OIC of PCF 44, so he had to be relieved from that boat and a replacement found for him. Early February seems reasonable to me. Sandusky was the acting OIC until Kerry came on board. Sandusky was an enisted crew member.

Why won't you read the book?

57 posted on 08/16/2004 8:25:10 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

I think that your thinking is perfectly reasonable. I think we only differ over a day or two.
Reason I won't read the book is very personal.


58 posted on 08/16/2004 8:29:32 AM PDT by ProudVet77 (So many questions for Kerry - so few answers from Kerry)
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To: Cboldt
Correction: Alston served under Kerry for a week. I wouldn't assume that they knew one another before that. I would have to know if PCF 44 went on missions with PCF 94. Kerry would not have fraternized with Alston, so I seriously doubt if there was any personal relationship.

I disagree that the manufacturing of a longer relationship with Alsotn is a small deception. It goes to the heart of Kerry's deliberate pattern of lying and deception. It is part of lying about his medals and then having an Alston or Rassmann support him in his lies.

59 posted on 08/16/2004 8:33:59 AM PDT by kabar
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To: cricket

The media part is easier for me.

The puppet masters must have made it abundantly clear to the biggies that their lives are on the line or other serious retribution.

For the underlings--their jobs.

But to turn a bunch of enlisted Navy men who were close enough to see what the idiot was made of--into fawning psychophants . . . that's still a mystery. I think your points have some merit. I don't know that they are sufficient.

The most plausible thing to me is the groupie mentality and hoping that they would end up with either cash or position or both.

I'd love to see checks on their bank accounts from before to after all this hulabaloo about SKERRY.


60 posted on 08/16/2004 8:35:46 AM PDT by Quix (PRAYER WARRIORS, DO YOUR STUFF! LIVES AND NATIONS DEPEND ON IT)
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