Posted on 08/14/2004 3:47:22 AM PDT by Elkiejg
Do you have the URL for the NY Sun article for February 27, 2004? None of the URLs posted above in this thread seems to show that NY Sun article location.
Thanks!
Friday, August 13, 2004
"We will not quickly join those who march on Veteran's Day waving small flags, calling to memory those thousands who died for the 'greater glory of the United States.' We will not accept the rhetoric. We will not readily join the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars--in fact, we will find it hard to join anything at all and when we do, we will demand relevancy such as other organizations have recently been unable to provide. We will not take solace from the creation of monuments or the naming of parks after a select few of the thousands of dead Americans and Vietnamese. We will not uphold the traditions which decorously memorialize that which was base and grim…We are asking America to turn from false glory, hollow victory, fabricated foreign threats, fear which threatens us as a nation, shallow pride which feeds of fear."
-John F. Kerry, The New Soldier, 1971
Kerry remains a traitor. He makes me ill.
The truth will prevail.
hanoi john has to be defeated his hatred for the Militray far exceeds even slick willie's.
Mention has been made about hanoi john's nightmares from just 132 days in country. Since you spent a full tour in country can you enlighten us about it. I would suspect they lasted for some time, but now 30+ years later only happen rarely. hanoi john makes them seem like they are a nightly occurance.
My ex had them for awhile but not long, just a few months. Sudden sharp noises especially backfires made him jump.
A Fmr. Senator Dishes on Kerry by Jeremiah Denton
Jeremiah Denton was the former POW who blinked code that the POW's were being tortured at the Hanoi Hilton.
Thanks, copied and saved- that's another "I will never forget, or forgive," story.
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The words of a treasonous, cowardly, privileged, psycohpathic, programmed, communistic, anti-American and the shell of a real man. Kerry should have not returned from Viet Nam either early or late. A despicable traitor who should have been court martialed for his un-American activities/conduct upon his return to the the USA. Jfk, a kennedy white feather, and made from the same mold, only worse. (John F'in Kerry Exposed!!!) Bush/Cheney 2004
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You said a mouth full of TRUTH. hanoi john is one sick self agrandizing narsistic puppy. I know there is a medical name for people like him, I just can't remember what it is.
What did Scott O'Grady say? Was he speaking specifically about Kerry? I thought I heard that Scott, the pilot that was shot down over Bosnia and later rescued, was campaigning for Bush, along with one of the Black Hawk Down incident helicopter pilots (his name escapes me right now).
'Rambo' Kerry earned three purple ouchies, a gold star and a smiley face during his four months in Vietnam. When ''Unfit for Command," which chronicles the exploits that warranted such commendation, becomes the No. 1 best-seller, it may finally elicit a mention (probably in a book review). Please attach a lead weight to my morning fish wrap that day, as I fear it will be "spinning" like a Category 5. Thanks in advance.
George Tuttle
Memphis
George is a Take No Prisoners kind of guy! Some of the best commentary I have run across on various subjects came from letters to editors. Sure, a lot of them are foolish or frivolous, but when an ordinary citizen gets it right and sounds off, they are the best in the world.
Hmmmm? Wasn't it posted here on FR ..?? I remember something about this e-mail to Iran .. but I can't remember the details.
Has no one delved into WHY Kerry lied to Congress after his return from Vietnam? Or why he lied again in 1986.
In both instances he was trying to change foreign policy of the day.
Why is this not brought out? Why are his meetings with the NVC representatives being ignored? That too was not an honorable act, and probably illegal to boot.
Hmm..his I've been to Paris and met with leaders sounds AWEFULLY familar!
Kerry spoke of meeting negotiators on Vietnam - Claimed US Was "Murdering" Vietnamese
Boston Globe ^ | 3/25/04 | Michael Kranish and Patrick Healy boston globe
WASHINGTON -- In a question-and-answer session before a Senate committee in 1971, John F. Kerry, who was a leading antiwar activist at the time, asserted that 200,000 Vietnamese per year were being "murdered by the United States of America" and said he had gone to the Paris and "talked with both delegations at the peace talks" and met with communist representatives.
Kerry, now the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, yesterday confirmed through a spokesman that he did go to Paris and talked privately with a leading communist representative. But the spokesman played down the extent of Kerry's role and said Kerry did not engage in negotiations.
Asked about the appropriateness of Kerry's saying that the United States had "murdered" 200,000 Vietnamese annually when the United States was at war, Kerry spokesman Michael Meehan said "Senator Kerry used a word he deems inappropriate."
Meehan said Kerry "never suggested or believed and absolutely rejects the idea that the word applied to service of the American soldiers in Vietnam." Meehan then declined to say to whom Kerry was referring when he said that the United States had murdered the Vietnamese; Kerry declined to be interviewed about the matter.
Kerry killed a Viet Cong fighter in an action his superiors deemed appropriate and for which he was awarded the Silver Star.
Kerry's speech before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on April 22, 1971, is one of the best-known moments of his life when he was involved in Vietnam Veterans Against the War. In that speech, Kerry asked: "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?"
But the follow-up session of questions and answers, made public at the time in the official proceedings of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, has received little mainstream notice until now.
When Kerry was asked by committee chairman Senator J. William Fulbright how he proposed to end the war, the former Navy lieutenant said it should be ended immediately and mentioned his involvement in peace talks in Paris.
"I have been to Paris," Kerry said. "I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh's points . . . ."
The latter was a reference to a communist group based in South Vietnam. Historian Stanley Karnow, author of "Vietnam: A History," described the Provisional Revolutionary Government as "an arm of the North Vietnamese government." Madam Nguyen Thi Binh was a leader of the group and had a list of peace-talk points, including the suggestion that US prisoners of war would be released when American forces withdrew.
After their May 1970 marriage, Kerry traveled to Paris with his wife, Julia Thorne, on a private trip, Meehan said. Kerry did not go to Paris with the intention of meeting with participants in the peace talks or involving himself in the negotiations, Meehan added, saying that while there Kerry had his brief meeting with Binh, which included members of both delegations to the peace talks.
As Kerry runs for president, he is finding that many of his statements and activities over the last 33 years are drawing new attention. Last year, the Globe published White House transcripts of discussions about Kerry by President Nixon in the Oval Office. More recently, the Los Angeles Times focused on FBI surveillance reports, obtained by historian Gerald Nicosia, in which the FBI monitored meetings of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, a group that Kerry led in 1971.
Indeed, there may be a tie between Kerry's statement before the Senate committee and the interest of the FBI in his activities. One FBI report provided to the Globe by Nicosia shows that the government was monitoring whether Kerry planned to go to Paris again. Kerry was "planning to travel to Paris, France . . . for talks with North Vietnamese peace delegation," said the report, dated Nov. 11, 1971.
Kerry's Senate testimony spans about six pages in the committee publication, but the lesser-known question-and-answer session was another 24 pages. As he opened the latter session, Kerry said Nixon should declare a cease-fire and "accept a coalition regime which would represent all the political forces of the country which is in fact what a representative government is supposed to do and which is in fact what this government here in this country purports to do, and pull the troops out without losing one more American, and still further without losing the South Vietnamese."
Kerry then suggested that Congress should permit a special national referendum on ending the Vietnam War, leading Fulbright to remind Kerry that Congress "cannot directly under our system negotiate a cease-fire or anything of this kind. Under our constitutional system, we can advise the president." Kerry responded that, "I realize that full well as a study of political science. I realize that we cannot negotiate treaties, and I realize that even my visits in Paris, precedents had been set by Senator [Eugene] McCarthy and others, in a sense are on the borderline of private individuals negotiating, et cetera."
Kerry's statement dealt with the question of whether he was trying to negotiate in Paris as a private citizen and was thus on that "borderline" of what was allowable. A US law forbids citizens from negotiating with foreign governments on matters such as peace treaties. Meehan said Kerry was not negotiating.
"Senator Kerry had no role whatsoever in the Paris peace talks or negotiations," Meehan said in his statement. "He did not engage in any negotiations and did not attend any session of the talks. Prior to his Senate testimony, he went to Paris on a private trip, where he had one brief meeting with Madam Binh and others. In an effort to find facts, he learned the status of the peace talks from their point of view and about any progress in resolving the conflict, particularly as it related to the fate of the POWs."
Kerry's suggestion before the Senate committee that there be an immediate pullout led to questions about whether such a move would endanger the lives of South Vietnamese allies.
Kerry responded that "this obviously is the most difficult question of all, but I think that at this point the United States is not really in a position to consider the happiness of those people as pertains to the army in our withdrawal." If the United States did not withdraw, Kerry said, then US bombing would continue, and "the war will continue. So what I am saying is that yes, there will be some recrimination but far, far less than the 200,000 a year who are murdered by the United States of America . . . ."
Meehan, asked to explain Kerry's comment, said: "During a very emotionally charged time in American history, Senator Kerry was testifying against a failed policy, which resulted in the killing of hundreds of thousands of people. That policy resulted in one of the highest civilian casualty rate in the history of war. In answering Senator [George D.] Aiken's question about the consequences of an American withdrawal and potential additional bloodbath, Senator Kerry used a word he deems inappropriate.
"Senator Kerry never suggested or believed and absolutely rejects the idea that the word applied to service of the American soldiers in Vietnam. While opposed to the failed policy, Senator Kerry insisted that Americans must never confuse the war with the warriors."
Kranish reported from Washington; Healy reported while traveling with Kerry. Kranish may be reached at kranish@globe.com and Healy at phealy@globe.com.
I'd love to see james the red skull carvelle debate this guy. He'd kill him if he tried that yelling sh!t !
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