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Let's take a deep breath in the `assault weapons' ban dispute
Fort Wayne News-Sentinel ^ | 11 August 2004 | J. R. Labbe

Posted on 08/11/2004 3:29:11 PM PDT by 45Auto

Chicken Little arrives every four years in a feather-ruffled flurry squawking about some kind of impending doom. This year she is incited to a level of hen-ish hysteria by the encroaching expiration of the federal "assault weapons" ban.

Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry is all for extending the ban on 19 military-style firearms, coos Chicken Little. He suspended his campaign back in March so he could go to Washington and cast one of the few Senate votes he found time to make in the past year. No one should read anything political into that.

But that bad ol' President Bush, clucks the harried hen, he said he'd sign an extension of the ban, but he isn't doing anything to force those nasty, gun-loving, NRA-co-opted Republicans to bring it to a vote.

Chickie needs to pipe down and revisit what the president did say about the ban, adopted by Congress and signed by President Clinton in 1994. Bush said he'd sign the extension if it made it to his desk. He never promised to pressure lawmakers into getting it to that point.

This is just one more example of how hysteria and ignorance can warp understanding of an issue.

The uninformed make audacious claims: "If the ban expires, it will become legal to buy dangerous, rapid-fire guns most commonly seen in action movies."

First, all firearms are dangerous, which is why it is so important to teach children never to think they are toys. But this line from a Statesman Journal editorial, which ran last month in the Salem, Ore., newspaper, equates the firearms covered by the ban with machine guns.

Even if the ban is lifted, John Q. Schnutz still will not be able to purchase fully automatic machine guns, which are highly regulated.

"A tidal wave of assault weapons will soon legally flood the country unless Congress acts quickly to renew expiring federal legislation," screamed the editorial page of Utah's Deseret Sun last month. "Just what we don't need - more opportunities for deadlier weapons to fall into the hands of criminals - and more `play toys' to attract our children's attention."

Gracious. Dilute that rhetoric with some facts, and you find that the guns banned under the Federal Violent Crime Control Act of 1994 are no deadlier than my .22-250 deer rifle.

Chickadees, let's take a breath and do some fact-checking on what the "assault weapons" ban did and did not do.

The 1994 crime bill forbade the manufacture and import of certain guns that Congress defined as "assault weapons."

These firearms were classified by how they looked and not by how they operate. Cosmetic and ergonomic features like telescoping stocks, bayonet lugs, pistol grips and flash suppressors that give the firearms a military-style appearance were banned even though they are mechanically indistinguishable from traditional sporting rifles.

The provision that banned "high-capacity" ammunition magazines is also scheduled to expire Sept. 13, although the House bill calling for the ban's extension does not mention high-capacity magazines.

The ban did NOT outlaw ownership of semi-automatic guns. Banned "assault weapons" have always been available on the secondary market, and owners of those guns don't break any law by reselling them.

The fact that you don't have to wear body armor and take your kids to school behind a bulletproof shield proves that the preponderance of America's gun owners are responsible, law-abiding people with no interest in committing crime.

Calling these guns the "weapons of choice for criminals" and "weapons whose only purpose is to kill people" reveals deliberate denial of reality. A National Institute of Justice study released in 1999 - gee, who was president then? - said exactly the opposite. "Assault weapons" were rarely used to commit murder in this country.

As to the emotion-laden "kill people" assertion: Shooting enthusiasts use military-style firearms to "kill" nothing more than pieces of paper or metal targets. Easy to operate, reliable and accurate, they make sport and competitive shooting fun.

Of course, the anti-gunners cite those same characteristics as something purely evil.

It is interesting to note that Kerry is not as vocal as his more enthusiastic supporters on this issue.

Rural voters in those all-important swing states of Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania own guns. Some of them view extending the ban as a step toward more restrictive gun laws that might next target that trusty ol' deer rifle - which operates exactly like those dreaded "assault weapons."


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1 posted on 08/11/2004 3:29:13 PM PDT by 45Auto
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To: 45Auto
Ted Kennedy's car has killed more innocent human beings than any 'assault rifle' I have ever owned or any 'AW's my family and friends have ever owned....

Psssst not to mention these aren't really Assault rifles anyway but semi auto copies... made to resemble (superficially) those types of military arms...

Pretty much the same as your semi auto deer, 22 LR plinkers, or semi auto fowling pieces and trap and skeet shotguns....with some cosmetic furniture changes...
2 posted on 08/11/2004 3:38:57 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: 45Auto
"The provision that banned "high-capacity" ammunition magazines is also scheduled to expire Sept. 13, although the House bill calling for the ban's extension does not mention high-capacity magazines."

Could you re-phrase this sentence. I'm not sure what you are saying. I wasn't aware that there was a House Bill calling for an extension, nor what the extension is supposed to ban. Thanks.

3 posted on 08/11/2004 3:38:59 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: 45Auto
"Some of them view extending the ban as a step toward more restrictive gun laws that might next target that trusty ol' deer rifle - which operates exactly like those dreaded "assault weapons."'

And they're exactly right!

4 posted on 08/11/2004 3:41:24 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: 45Auto

This idiotic law is finally going into the dustbin come September--and good riddance. I can't wait to hear the Feinstein/Schumer/Brady crowd howl with rage when their smarmy little pet law expires, either.


5 posted on 08/11/2004 3:46:13 PM PDT by A Jovial Cad ("I had no shoes and I complained, until I saw a man who had no feet.")
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To: 45Auto
I will always vote to protect the 2nd Amendment, because I firmly believe if it were not for the 2nd Amendment we would have none at all.
Why would we disarm ourselves for the enemy anyway? (check out this post...http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1189488/posts ) The other argument I have given with some union members (employees that work for me) is that I will give up my 2nd Amendment right when they give up their 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th.... none has taken me up on it.
6 posted on 08/11/2004 3:46:43 PM PDT by Conservative4Life (Vote Conservative, or don't bother voting at all....)
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To: Eastbound

The way I understand it. The "Assualt Weapons" ban did ban some firearms based on whether or not that had certain cosmetic features, and the bill also banned the production or import of higher capacity magazines for both rifles and handguns (i.e. no more 15 round mags to replace the original 7 round ones for your M-1911). And the way I read this article the new bill would uphold the weapons ban but doesn't mention the magazines.


7 posted on 08/11/2004 3:47:11 PM PDT by Better Dead Than Red (Davis College Republicans (Best Party on Campus))
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To: TexasCowboy
These firearms were classified by how they looked and not by how they operate. Cosmetic and ergonomic features like telescoping stocks, bayonet lugs, pistol grips and flash suppressors that give the firearms a military-style appearance were banned even though they are mechanically indistinguishable from traditional sporting rifles.

Finally a clear-headed assessment of the issue. I agree that the law is a stalking horse for a long-rifle ban: see, your deer rifle is just like those nasty "assault rifles" and it's gotta go too.

8 posted on 08/11/2004 3:51:14 PM PDT by philomath (from the state of franklin)
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To: Eastbound

I think there are two versions of an AW renewal - the Senate version, authored by that paragon of liberty, the dishonorable Senatrix from California, Dianne Feinstein (nee Feinswine),and the House version, authored by that lunatic, Rep. McCarthy (C -NY), which is much more than a mere reauthorization of the current ban - it is one that bans a whole lot more.


9 posted on 08/11/2004 3:51:43 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: 45Auto

BTTT


10 posted on 08/11/2004 3:53:32 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Better Dead Than Red
I'll have to prowl some gun-related message boards tonight... I find it very hard to believe that the anti-gunners are not pushing for a renewed ban on standard-capacity magazine production.

Last I heard, they were whining because we'd found the loophole permitting pre-ban mags (+10 rounds) to be imported (which they didn't think to ban, and over which BATF technically has no authority).

11 posted on 08/11/2004 3:53:38 PM PDT by Charles Martel ("Diplomats. The best diplomat I know of is a fully loaded phaser bank" - Cdr. Montgomery Scott)
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To: Charles Martel

I have to ask this because I consider myself a gun enthusiast who doesn't have any (yet). I know Eugene Stoner designed a sharp-shooting rifle called the SR-25 that looks (at least to the unknowledgable) very much like the M-16. Is the SR-25 covered by the current ban?


12 posted on 08/11/2004 3:57:17 PM PDT by Better Dead Than Red (Davis College Republicans (Best Party on Campus))
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To: 45Auto

The Dems want the extension of the ban to get to Bush, where he'd have to sign it or go back on his word-either way, they're smilin'. It's all electioneering and has nothing to do with anyone's real belief that the ban has done, or would do, anything in terms of public safety. It's a wedge issue. Period.


13 posted on 08/11/2004 4:06:36 PM PDT by Spok
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To: Better Dead Than Red
The SR 25 and the AR 10 are both covered as far as certain features vis a vis the Federal ban; the AR 10 can be legally obtained (except in California)as a post ban model. I don't know if the SR 25 was ever offered in a post ban configuration. You could contact Knights Armament in Florida and ask them.
14 posted on 08/11/2004 4:07:13 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Spok

You are right. Isn't it nice how the Dems can do these things in the name of public safety, but if Massachusetts and the mayor of San Fransisco authorize gay marriage and we have to react to stand up against the destruction of the nuclear family somehow it is conservatives who are using horrible wedge issues.


15 posted on 08/11/2004 4:12:23 PM PDT by Better Dead Than Red (Davis College Republicans (Best Party on Campus))
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To: Better Dead Than Red

Actually, I bought an SR 25 post ban model in 1994, legally, in California. So, if you want to spend the money you can probably order one through your local FFL dealer. The damn things have always been expensive. I see that Bushmaster in now offering a .308 AR 10 clone; you might check them out. The Bushmaster uses readily available FN FAL magazines, whereas the AR 10 uses converted M1A mags and the SR 25 uses the original AR 10 mags (not the 'waffle' mags, but a straight side mag that locks up like the 'waffle' mags.)None of the three mags/rifles are interchangable , a real pain in the butt. I did build a custom upper for my SR 25 using an AR 10 upper receiver. There were a few minor fitting alterations required, but it works well.

45Auto


16 posted on 08/11/2004 4:13:13 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: 45Auto; Better Dead Than Red

Thanks for the info.


17 posted on 08/11/2004 4:24:58 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: philomath

Los Angeles outlawed, or were trying to outlaw, 50 caliber long range rifles such as the Barrett. I guess they were worried that some gang-banger was going to sneak around with a 30 pound rifle with 60 power scope under his t-shirt.


18 posted on 08/11/2004 4:37:44 PM PDT by PinnedAndRecessed (Back when "Made in the USA" actually meant something!)
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To: philomath; 45Auto
"a step toward more restrictive gun laws that might next target that trusty ol' deer rifle -"

The only thing I disagree with in this statement is the word, "might".

19 posted on 08/11/2004 4:40:17 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: PinnedAndRecessed
No, the problem with the .50s is that the crazy gun nuts were using the moon for target practice!
I darn sure don't want the moon shot full of holes!
20 posted on 08/11/2004 4:44:18 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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