Posted on 08/09/2004 6:31:20 PM PDT by wagglebee
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The first debate, when obamito gets hit with something like this, his eyes are gonna roll up inside his skull and he'll turn to jello.
There is justice in this world!
Thank you Jesus! (I hope the bishops are learning).
So what have yall got aginst morals? Besides yall not having any?
A shoe-sized IQ is a terrible thing, jpsb.
Exhibiting it is even worse.
The Republican party was extablished on the foundation of abolitionism and opposition to slavery.
"I mentioned slavery earlier. If youre anything like me, you attended public schools for 13 years and somehow never learned that slavery ended peacefully in many countries just years before the Civil War. Of course, I come from Jersey, where even the Founding Fathers arent safe from revisionist school boards. But the point is, we ended one contradiction to freedomslaverywith a series of further contradictions. Big Govt solutions, I mean, like military conscription, the suspension of habeas corpus, the silencing of presses, and the introduction of income taxes. So slaves are free now, and thank God for that, but 600,000 black and white Americans died in a war that, again, didnt necessarily have to happen to bring slavery to its demise."And thats not to say it wasnt worth freeing the slaves. It was. But the same Big Govt that the Civil War gave us persists to this day, running schools that teach childrenlike yours truly, once upon a timeits one-sided view of said war. The point Im trying to make here is that when we treat liberty irresponsibly, we create problems that threaten to destroy it. "
I am excited! I feel like having a party.
Or a BBQ!
Keyes is going to make this race interesteing. At least there will be some debate and thought on the issues.
How very Christ-like of you. Good job, Keyes supporter!
I was just wondering why yall are bashing Keyes for taking a moral stand against abortion. Guess yall think it is ok to kill babies, even late term after they've been born.
I would have preferred Ditka. If Ditka attacked Obama, the media would consider it cute. With Keyes, the media will consider it hateful. Just wait until somebody calls Keyes "the house N*gger". You know somebody's gonna say it before November gets here.
I DIDN'T DO THAT, AND I DON'T THINK THAT. Neither did/do either of the other people you pinged. Good GRIEF.
You're either stupid, or you're a liar.
Anybody else notice that in the notices in papers around the country yesterday about the GOP choice of Keyes in Illinois, Keyes was referred to as A Maryland CONSERVATIVE Republican.
On the other hand, Obama was NOT referred to as a LIBERAL. Instead, he was called a "rising star" in the Democratic Party.
How's that for not-so-subtle liberal slant of the news?
OReilly should latch on to that one!!! That is, if he still cares about the journalistic bias toward the Left and against any who dare hold for "conserving" and preserving the Founders' views.
You said "Now he has given Obama the chance to look like the reasonable candidate"
Then yall bashed Keyes for several more posts. So I was wondering why yall think being pro life makes one look like a "kook" and being pro death makes one look "reasonable".
I was talking about the LANGUAGE Keyes used to express his point! I even said that I hope he knows what he's doing. Did you not read that, or did you just omit it on purpose?
I don't like Keyes. I think he uses a sledgehammer for a job a fly-swatter would do. I hate the way he has gone after President Bush.
But he is a conservative Republican, and if I lived in Illinois, I would vote for him. Reluctantly, of course, because my fear is that he would be about as loyal to the POTUS as John McCain - someone you can't quite count on - and he would make sure everyone knew it.
That's my problem with him. NOT his pro-life views.
He was making a very improtant point, that point being that the declaration of indepedance sets the MORAL foundation for the nation and that just as slavegy was evil and immoral so is killing babies via abortion. His opponent supported killing babies AFTER they are born (by mistake). Saying that his opponent is siding with the immorallity of the past (owning slaves) that greatly harmed blacks (and whites) is fact very true. Slave owners only took the a slaves freedom, abortion takes everything the death baby has or would ever have. It is a far greater crime.
I only posted what I had heard. I report...you decide. :-)
With all due respect to everyone involved, I do not believe comments like these are constructive to our goals.
Let us reason together, not bash each other.
For my part, I disagree with the language used here as well from a purely logical standpoint. To wit: Stephen Douglas was not a slaveholder. If you must use the slaveholder language (because it has received a lot of ink in a situation where ink is necessary), at least apply it to someone who fits, or modify the definition to "slaveholder enabler" or something of the sort.
If you understand the context of the Lincoln/Douglas debates, though, you can understand the relationship between the slaveholder comment and the position of those who deny the truth of the Declaration in the cases of both slavery and abortion. However, most people will sadly not understand this context and will not quote you in context. This will either get their attention or it will turn them off. With less than 90 days left, I don't think there is time to play this one timid.
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