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How does it feel? (John Kerry gets a taste of his own medicine over Vietnam)
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=6942 ^

Posted on 08/05/2004 9:11:08 PM PDT by hope

How Does It Feel?
By George Neumayr
Published 8/6/2004 12:08:24 AM

John Kerry faces a basic problem in rebutting the new ads that question his Vietnam war record: the criticism in the ads sounds exactly like his own criticism from the 1970s, both his criticism of others (he had no problem smearing Vietnam veterans for political purposes in the 1970s) and the criticism he leveled at himself when asked in 1971 on Meet the Press if he had committed war atrocities.

"There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free-fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used .50 caliber machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against the people," Kerry said. "I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages…"

What do the new ads say that Kerry didn't say or imply in this statement?

"The Kerry campaign has denounced the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, saying none of the men in the ad served on the boat that Kerry commanded," reports the Associated Press. But what about the Kerry mate, Stephen Gardner, who does support their criticism of him? The Kerry campaign is hoping that a pliable press will forget him. Gardner spoiled Douglas Brinkley's "Band of Brothers" thesis by saying that "Kerry was chickens--t" and no war hero. Brinkley was very disappointed when he turned up, writing "Just when it looked like Senator John Kerry's so-called Band of Brothers were unified in vouching for his leadership in Vietnam there is suddenly a lone ripple of dissent in the ranks." Gardner said of Kerry that "whenever a firefight started he always pulled up stakes and got the hell out of Dodge." Brinkley had to dismiss Gardner as a conservative crank in order to sustain his hagiography.

Kerry is being hoist by his own petard. Did he really think that he could launch his political career on discrediting the Vietnam war, including his role in it, and then complete that career by taking credit for fighting in it? Kerry has never persuasively explained why he deserves so much credit for fighting in a war he said was utterly discreditable. A pol who starts his career by saying "We wish that a merciful God could wipe away our own memories of that service" and then ends it by campaigning on those memories invites the backlash we've seen this week.

Kerry can't quite pull off his stance as an antiwar war hero. It is far too confusing and contradictory. He can't make a show of his "shame" and then convincingly deny charges that he behaved shamefully. He can't call Vietnam a "barbaric war" and then take pride in fighting for the barbaric side. He can't throw his ribbons to win a seat in the Senate, then retrieve them to win the White House.

He can't posture about his "guilt" and then not expect people to ask: What have you done that would make you feel so guilty? He can't itemize the sins of soldiers who had "personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads…cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks," without being asked: How did you learn about all of this?

Kerry has wanted praise for feeling the shame -- as this shows that he is a very thoughtful fellow -- but none of the blame for the shameful acts of war. Kerry once said to the New Yorker cryptically, "I just won't talk about all of it. I don't and can't. The things that really turned me I've never told anybody. Nobody would understand…These things are very personal. It was our youth."

But now he can't stop speaking about the war he denounced as unspeakable. It is fitting that after years of overheated anti-war posturing he is subject to the charges he once was happy to hurl himself.

George Neumayr is managing editor of The American Spectator.


TOPICS: Editorial; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: swiftboatveterans
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1 posted on 08/05/2004 9:11:08 PM PDT by hope
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To: hope

Excellent points.


2 posted on 08/05/2004 9:13:46 PM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (Kerry: Dukakis Lite)
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To: Howlin; onyx; OXENinFLA; Tamsey; Mo1; PhiKapMom; LisaFab

FYI ping


3 posted on 08/05/2004 9:14:04 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Nobody But Bush | Kerry/Edwards: Re-inventing the we'll)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

I guess you figured I'd find this on my own. :-)


4 posted on 08/05/2004 9:16:18 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: hope

bump


5 posted on 08/05/2004 9:17:43 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: hope

nice find


6 posted on 08/05/2004 9:19:38 PM PDT by mcenedo (lying liberal media - our most dangerous and powerful enemy)
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To: nopardons
I didn't mean to leave you out of the ping list! Please accept my sincere apologies! :)

I need to create a text file of names, so I don't have to go by memory. :/ LOL

7 posted on 08/05/2004 9:19:48 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Nobody But Bush | Kerry/Edwards: Re-inventing the we'll)
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To: BigSkyFreeper; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; WKB; dixiechick2000; wardaddy; river rat; Squantos; ...

Thanks for ping BSF.

Passing it along.


8 posted on 08/05/2004 9:19:54 PM PDT by onyx (JohnKerry -- the standard bearer for the unbearable)
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To: hope

America doesn't need to have the Vietnam war fought all over again. Kerry should have left it alone, but no. He had to keep picking the scab.


9 posted on 08/05/2004 9:20:43 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Do Chernobyl restaurants serve Curied chicken?)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Don't worry;it's okay.I DID find this on my own. :-)


10 posted on 08/05/2004 9:21:01 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: hope
I've heard that vets hope to outlive Hanoi Jane so they can piss on her grave.

This whole vet scenario reminds me of the movie Crossroads. It's about a blues musician that made a deal with the devil in his youth and regrets it later in life. Looks like we've got life immitating art once again.

"Hell hounds on my trail....hell hounds on my trail..."

11 posted on 08/05/2004 9:21:16 PM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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"Kerry entered and abandoned Vietnamese village and slaughtered domestic animals
owned by the civilians and burned down their homes with his Zippo lighter."



It only takes one idiot to raze a village!

(My original response! Zippo lighter courtesty of FReeper Helms)

12 posted on 08/05/2004 9:21:41 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hanoi Jane and Hanoi Kerry sitting in a tree F-R-E-N-C-H-I-N-G)
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To: Lawgvr1955

I had figured given his assignment that Kerry's 1971 claim of committing "atrocities" was an exaggeration to gain the authority of an expert.

Or maybe he had been "ordered" to.

I hadn't thought he committed the atrocities on his own volition, and it's looking that way.


13 posted on 08/05/2004 9:21:49 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Jeff Chandler

yep, he opened the flood gates.


14 posted on 08/05/2004 9:21:53 PM PDT by hope ( Let no man deceive you!)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Brinkley had to dismiss Gardner as a conservative crank in order to sustain his hagiography.

Gosh, we could use that about just about anything anybody says about Kerry!

15 posted on 08/05/2004 9:22:37 PM PDT by Howlin (Saving Private Hamster)
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To: nopardons

OK. :) Just so you know I didn't mean to leave you out. :)


16 posted on 08/05/2004 9:22:48 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Nobody But Bush | Kerry/Edwards: Re-inventing the we'll)
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To: hope
It's easy to see what's going on. John Scarry is just like all the other DemocRATS. He can dish it out, but he can't take it.
17 posted on 08/05/2004 9:23:00 PM PDT by The Real Deal (The United States has the best fighting force in the world, BAR NUN!)
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To: hope

As was pointed out on the Hugh Hewitt show, Kerry began his political career by criticizing the service of others who served in Viet Nam. And now that his service is being criticized the RATS have gone ballistic. This is one of the times in your life you just want to stand on the rooftop and shout for sheer joy. Thank you Lord, thank you.


18 posted on 08/05/2004 9:23:23 PM PDT by Enterprise
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To: hope

Great article!


19 posted on 08/05/2004 9:23:24 PM PDT by Cold Heat (http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
"Kerry entered and abandoned Vietnamese village and slaughtered domestic animals owned by the civilians and burned down their homes with his Zippo lighter."

He smoked?

20 posted on 08/05/2004 9:23:40 PM PDT by Howlin (Saving Private Hamster)
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