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I've posted this information on several Berger-related threads the last couple of days. Thanks to all those that have made supportive comments.

I've been encouraged to post this as its own thread. It's my first vanity but I think its on target.

I should stress that I'm no security expert - but I did work in that environment for nearly 12 years as an engineer in the aerospace industry (stealth technology). Amongst my duties, I was also the secured computer contact person during our department's audits with "The customer" and the FBI. This included things like proving procedures were being followed concerning the registering, cataloging and tracking of classified storage media, secured networks, hardcopy audit trails ... etc. It was not very exciting work - very boring but also needed.

Because of this work, I have a good idea of what that part of the world looks like. Who knows though after #42 and his crowd. I remember how O'leary (spelling) turned the DoE upside down with her wacky ideas of security. Remember the classified media supposedly found behind the copy machine during the Wen Ho-Li case? I have a friend who works for a private computer consulting firm that is contracted by the DoE and I think the DoD to perform inspections at government and contractor facilities. He told me the rules changed significantly during Clinton's years (to the worse) but I have no first hand knowledge.
1 posted on 07/22/2004 1:34:41 PM PDT by tang-soo
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To: tang-soo
Good summary.

"15) As such, ANYBODY who has worked in this environment and heard Mr. Berger's comments yesterday about being "sloppy" and "an honest mistake" knows beyond any doubt that he was not only lying, but this was a premeditated act."

Without a doubt.

The dims are hopeful the media can succeed. The media and talking heads are trying to make it sound innocent and inadvertent. They are playing on the fact that most people don't know what is required to handle Top Secret code word documents. They are trying to trivialize things and put actions into common word terms. It is not that way at all. Nothing is simple about top secret.

The toon ex-President laughing about it says all you need to know about his view of national security. And we wonder what caused the attacks on 9/11.

2 posted on 07/22/2004 1:42:48 PM PDT by snooker
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To: tang-soo
Note that a Xerox copy of a classified document is a classified document. Similarly, any handwritten notes taken on a classified document are classified working papers which must themselves be logged into the facility where they are created and must be controled by it thereafter.

I mention this because Berger's lawyer yesterday made statements which seem to imply that it is only the original document and not information gleaned from it which is classified and non-discloseable. Of course, the press played happily along.

3 posted on 07/22/2004 1:45:04 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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What Berger did would get any sailor 30 years to life in Leavenworth. Let's see what happens to another teflon Clintonite.


4 posted on 07/22/2004 1:45:53 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: tang-soo

Great post. But I have yet to get an answer to my question, "why does Berger still have a TS clearance?". My experience in Classified Printing and Pub. for USAREUR in the early 70's is that upon leaving one's position, he is debriefed and further access is prohibited, despite personal authorship or involvement.


5 posted on 07/22/2004 1:55:02 PM PDT by fat city (Julius Rosenberg's soviet code name was "Liberal")
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To: tang-soo

Thank you for sharing your great insight. Good information.


12 posted on 07/22/2004 2:21:52 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: tang-soo

Thanks for this valuable post.


16 posted on 07/22/2004 2:38:54 PM PDT by livius
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To: tang-soo

This is a great post, one I've quoted on other threads when you posted it before. Personally, I wish someone would send a copy to all the talking heads--perhaps starting with Bill O'Reilly, who can't seem to get a grip on the reason Berger was criminally wrong!


17 posted on 07/22/2004 2:42:59 PM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: tang-soo

Just a thought (and perhaps someone else has mentioned it):

The dems have questioned the timing of the leak, the inference being to draw attention away from the 9/11 report or to damage Kerry prior to the convention.

Maybe they are telling a 1/2 truth.

I do believe the dems are the source of the leak. And the timing is very, very important.

re:".....The latest word I have heard is that this material was classified "Code Word Access". Folks, if true, this is "Above Top Secret" ie. John Pollard type material.

So the question comes to mind, why would anybody do such a thing under conditions where he knew he stood a huge chance of being caught? The mission must have been extraordinary for such a risk. The presumption is that he wanted to alter or remove and destroy material that implicated either himself, or quite possibly Mr. Clinton. The fact that some of the material is "lost" implies that regardless of the consequences, the mission has been accomplished with his current situation collateral damage....."

The question of the day has been WHY? Why would Berger risk all? Who is he protecting? What leverage does someone have to do such a stupid, stupid thing...so obvious and blatant?

And this is where the timing comes in. If you were involved,, knew of the investigation, Berger was cooperating and the story could grow very, very long legs if the press had a slow week, what would you do?

Leak the story right before the release of the 9/11 report which just happens to be prior to the convention and pray to God the other events knock it out of the spotlight until our short attention span turns to another issue.

A strong possibility may be the source of the leak may lead to the answers of the questions we have been asking.


19 posted on 07/22/2004 3:08:20 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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bttt


21 posted on 07/22/2004 8:04:58 PM PDT by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: tang-soo
More NARA info here. And here.
24 posted on 07/23/2004 4:24:58 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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As I've alluded to before, I am very impressed by your summary. One item that I would like you to add, when you get a chance to update it:

There are many, many people who have had "Confidential" or "Secret" clearances, or even marginal "Top Secret" access. Those people are likely to under a delusion that this "Code Word" - Highest sensitivity - material is handled in a similar manner. Nothing could be further from the truth.

This stuff is handled with far more care than the lower clearance material, and even the archivists (or investigators of criminal behavior with respect to it) are under severe restrictions when they have to handle it in any way because they do not have the clearances and "need-to-know" to be allowed to view it.

There is no way - I mean NO WAY - for this material to be inadvertently carried off and subsequently lost or disposed of.
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27 posted on 07/25/2004 4:50:48 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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bump


29 posted on 07/25/2004 7:19:24 PM PDT by independentmind
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A most enlightening post. Michael Savage made mention of the "Code Word Access" and how secrete that level is. This Berger thing simply does not pass the smell test in any shape or form...Berger committed a crime and I suspect he did not do this for himself – shades of Ron Brown.


32 posted on 07/30/2004 5:05:52 PM PDT by yoe (Bill Clinton lied again to the Nation – his Convention speech was 90% bogus.)
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To: tang-soo
I should stress that I'm no security expert - but I did work in that environment for nearly 12 years as an engineer in the aerospace industry (stealth technology).

I know that even "honest mistakes" where procedures were improperly followed, but which resulted in no actual compromise of the data results in severe punishment for people in the military: Reduction of rank, loss of multiple months pay, and confinement to quarters - in addition to possible revokation of security clearances.

That's just for mishandling or misrecording. Anything even remotely like what is described would result in jail-time.

33 posted on 07/31/2004 12:00:07 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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